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re: Like to hear the libertarian reaction to Trump's handling of Iran...
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:07 pm to TigerWhatIR
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:07 pm to TigerWhatIR
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TigerWhatIR
What a dumb frick !
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:07 pm to troyt37
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No, but I think you may have missed several where libertarians shite on conservatives for protecting Americans and American interests. I just wanted to give them an opportunity to let everyone know they were wrong, and dangerously so, as usual.
This is usually how these discussions go. Someone always has to push the drama queen angle like this.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:07 pm to troyt37
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for protecting Americans and American interests
*American* interests
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:08 pm to troyt37
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for protecting Americans and American interests.
There has been nothing done in the middle east to protect americans or american interests since the Taliban was toppled.
I have no issue with Soleimani being taken out in context of being there now, but we shouldn't even be there in the first damn place.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:08 pm to Centinel
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What if I told you most libertarians are ok with open borders *after* all welfare programs are ended?
I've mentioned this several times. It's not getting through. The funny part about the people that want to shut immigration down is that they wouldn't be here except for illegal immigration in most cases.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:09 pm to Centinel
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What if I told you most libertarians are ok with open borders *after* all welfare programs are ended?
Then I would ask you why so many support open borders, decriminalization, and public support for criminal illegals.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:10 pm to Aubie Spr96
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The funny part about the people that want to shut immigration down is that they wouldn't be here except for illegal immigration in most cases.
To be fair, when most of their ancestors immigrated here, it wasn't illegal.
Immigration didn't become a problem until the welfare state got cranking.
I don't blame immigrants for wanting to come here by any means necessary. I blame this country for setting the conditions for them wanting to.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:11 pm to Centinel
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I have no issue with Soleimani being taken out in context of being there now, but we shouldn't even be there in the first damn place.
It's the libertarian fallback. Utopia. If the world would just magically realign to everything I want, everything would be swell. There is no time machine. We have to deal with the reality of the world today. We cant change what was done in the past.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:11 pm to troyt37
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Then I would ask you why so many support open borders
Go back and read my post.
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decriminalization
Of non-violent crimes. Why the hell are we locking people up who have not committed harm against another?
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and public support for criminal illegals.
Ya this isn't a thing.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:12 pm to Centinel
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What if I told you most libertarians are ok with open borders *after* all welfare programs are ended?
You need to read the whole thread.
The Libertarian Party wants open borders regardless.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:13 pm to Centinel
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What if I told you most libertarians are ok with open borders *after* all welfare programs are ended?
See, this is one of the biggest problems libertarians have. They're not grounded in reality.
They refuse to admit those welfare programs are never ever going to end short of a complete collapse of the United States Government.
Supporting open borders contingent on ending all welfare programs? Ok cool. Bully for you.
Except that is never going to happen.
So the next best thing is to make sure we have a tightly controlled and restricted border along with drastic and severe reductions in legal immigration.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:13 pm to troyt37
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It's the libertarian fallback. Utopia. If the world would just magically realign to everything I want, everything would be swell. There is no time machine. We have to deal with the reality of the world today. We cant change what was done in the past.
Did you not comprehend a single fricking thing I said? I specifically said I was ok with Soleimani being taken out in the context of us being there. That's straight up dealing with reality.
And the next reality needs to be pulling every fricking troop home ASAP and letting the middle east burn. We have *zero* reason to be there.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:16 pm to 93and99
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I did
you didn't link what you said, which is why i asked for the link you're referencing with that last post
saying "we need to change the rules" doesn't mean "frick the rules". remember, you are also arguing "we need to change the rules" as well
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:16 pm to upgrayedd
quote:I've quite enjoyed watching from afar
Someone always has to push the drama queen angle like this.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:18 pm to troyt37
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libertarians shite on conservatives for protecting Americans and American interests
oh i can't wait for the next DEM President to use this extreme political powers you support and then have you lose your mind that he/she is "attacking Americans and American interests". CANNOT WAIT
This post was edited on 1/8/20 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:19 pm to Sentrius
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They refuse to admit those welfare programs are never ever going to end short of a complete collapse of the United States Government.
Controlled opposition
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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oh i can't wait for the next DEM President to use this extreme political powers you support and then have you lose your mind that he/she is "attacking Americans and American interests". CANNOT WAIT
That's different because reasons!!!
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:20 pm to Sentrius
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See, this is one of the biggest problems libertarians have. They're not grounded in reality.
the "WE ARE BEING INVADED" crowd isn't exactly ground in reality, either
you have people who are complaining Trump hasn't ended birthright citizenship with an EO for Christ's sake
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:20 pm to Sentrius
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So the next best thing is to make sure we have a tightly controlled and restricted border along with drastic and severe reductions in legal immigration.
Not grounded in reality indeed. Your own fricking party will keep this from happening because they want the cheap labor.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:21 pm to Centinel
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Not grounded in reality indeed. Your own fricking party will keep this from happening because they want the cheap labor.
it's also not grounded in reality b/c (1) it ain't gonna work and (2) any system that would "work" will be prohibitively expensive
which is whatever, but it's just as much of a pipe dream as the "libertarian policy argument" that's being mocked
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