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Could they hav actually made decent Matrix sequels?
Posted on 7/15/19 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 7/15/19 at 4:15 pm
Just watched the (I think) second, and starting the third. Pretty bad.
So, the question is: was the premise and the world building of the first sufficient that they could have made a quality francise of it if they had put the time and talent into the sequels?
So, the question is: was the premise and the world building of the first sufficient that they could have made a quality francise of it if they had put the time and talent into the sequels?
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Posted on 7/15/19 at 4:22 pm to Methuselah
i dont think so, yes the structure was based on a never ending loop that continuously repeats itself generation after generation, but where do you go that wasnt covered already?
the 3 or 4 they did was neatly tied into each other the best they could do in my opinion even though i think the final one was really sub par compared to the others. i think that was mainly due to them seeing as well that there was nowhere else to go that wasnt covered already except kill off the main characters in a way that fit with the story
the 3 or 4 they did was neatly tied into each other the best they could do in my opinion even though i think the final one was really sub par compared to the others. i think that was mainly due to them seeing as well that there was nowhere else to go that wasnt covered already except kill off the main characters in a way that fit with the story
Posted on 7/15/19 at 4:27 pm to Methuselah
Did you watch the Animatrix? I think there were stories to be told within that universe that could be interesting. There are more movies currently in development BTW
Posted on 7/15/19 at 4:35 pm to Methuselah
The first movie was never intended to spawn a universe or have any sequels.
it was just so wildly successful from a financial standpoint they we're going to churn out more matrix content regardless.
pretty much the vast majority of sequels suck for that reason. They have absolutely no artistic reason to exist and are thrown together crap just trying to cash in on the popularity of the original
it was just so wildly successful from a financial standpoint they we're going to churn out more matrix content regardless.
pretty much the vast majority of sequels suck for that reason. They have absolutely no artistic reason to exist and are thrown together crap just trying to cash in on the popularity of the original
Posted on 7/15/19 at 6:38 pm to Methuselah
I think don’t know sure maybe
The issue is that no one cares THAT much about the weird underground sci fi stuff outside the matrix.
So how do you keep the vertical reality worked relevant.
Yeah Neo is the one...
What can the One actually do besides rock out in the matrix.
How does that free humanity?
The issue is that no one cares THAT much about the weird underground sci fi stuff outside the matrix.
So how do you keep the vertical reality worked relevant.
Yeah Neo is the one...
What can the One actually do besides rock out in the matrix.
How does that free humanity?
Posted on 7/15/19 at 6:38 pm to Methuselah
They are decent.
The problem is they are not as high a caliber as the first one.
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The problem is they are not as high a caliber as the first one.
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Posted on 7/15/19 at 8:06 pm to Methuselah
The third was maybe the most I’ve ever been pissed off in a movie theater. 
I think it’s one of the worst conclusions to a trilogy I’ve ever seen in comparison to the high point.
I think it’s one of the worst conclusions to a trilogy I’ve ever seen in comparison to the high point.
This post was edited on 7/15/19 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 7/15/19 at 8:07 pm to Methuselah
I like reloaded. Revolutions is awful.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 8:24 pm to Methuselah
Just think what a modern day Matrix would look like. With the modern PC special interest culture, Neo and Trinity would be either an LGBT couple, or Neo would be a female/minority hero that conquers the old white architect.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 9:45 pm to Methuselah
quote:
So, the question is: was the premise and the world building of the first sufficient that they could have made a quality francise of it if they had put the time and talent into the sequels?
The first was a blend of action and a cool premise with philosophical points in the background.
The second and third stripped out a lot of plot (the second starts with machines burrowing to Zion and ends with machines burrowing to Zion) and amps up the philosophy so that it's 5 minutes of lecture and then 5 min of action in a loop.
Matrix 2 will always have this, though.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 11:51 pm to Methuselah
There were serious pacing and content issues with 2 and 3.
2 tried to do about a movie and a half worth of setpieces and the “wham” ending left the next film completely fricked for about the first 45 minutes. And that doesn’t go into all the content which went into the Enter The Matrix game instead of the film.
3 was basically stillborn. It started off dead and never really got any momentum because they blew so much of their load in Reloaded.
2 tried to do about a movie and a half worth of setpieces and the “wham” ending left the next film completely fricked for about the first 45 minutes. And that doesn’t go into all the content which went into the Enter The Matrix game instead of the film.
3 was basically stillborn. It started off dead and never really got any momentum because they blew so much of their load in Reloaded.
Posted on 7/16/19 at 11:51 am to Methuselah
The first one ended with a great ending. Hell, it's implied what will happen next. He's going to wake up the humans and then the machines are going to have decide what happens next - go back to war and lose their resource, or figure out something else. Perhaps a lot of humans will voluntarily do it while others start trying to work with the machines to fix the surface. No one knows.
The second movie immediately shits on the first one's ending. Any sequel would be hard pressed to fix that.
The second movie immediately shits on the first one's ending. Any sequel would be hard pressed to fix that.
Posted on 7/16/19 at 9:27 pm to Methuselah
I liked the second one.
I don't understand the hate it gets on this board.
I don't understand the hate it gets on this board.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 11:12 am to Methuselah
quote:Yes.
was the premise and the world building of the first sufficient that they could have made a quality francise of it if they had put the time and talent into the sequels?
Once they had Neo stop the sentinels in the real, they either had to go Matrix within a Matrix or full tard. They chose full tard.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 1:30 pm to Methuselah
I absolutely loved the 1st one; saw 3 times in the theater. The 2nd one was so disappointing, I didn't even bother watching the 3rd.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 2:58 pm to Methuselah
I don't know if the sequels could have wound up any better than they turned out.
Mostly because it increasingly looks like the Wachowskis caught lightning in a bottle with the Matrix and haven't been able to duplicate that success. The second Matrix movie did make a ton of money but since then their results financially have steadily gone downhill. The critics haven't been kind either.
They had one good movie in them it looks like.
Mostly because it increasingly looks like the Wachowskis caught lightning in a bottle with the Matrix and haven't been able to duplicate that success. The second Matrix movie did make a ton of money but since then their results financially have steadily gone downhill. The critics haven't been kind either.
They had one good movie in them it looks like.
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