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Veterinarians and suicide
Posted on 7/11/19 at 2:05 am
Posted on 7/11/19 at 2:05 am
Oregonlive article
Who would have thought?
I've probably spent $1000 this year alone at the vet.
quote:
the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released a study in January that found suicide rates, when compared to the general population, were 2.1 times as high for male veterinarians and 3.5 times as high for female veterinarians.
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The average student loan debt of veterinarians was $167,000 in 2016, according to the American Veterinary Medical Association. Average starting salaries are between $70,000 and $80,000 annually. Some vets can even carry student loans of $250,000 – debt they’ll be paying back well into retirement.
Who would have thought?
I've probably spent $1000 this year alone at the vet.
This post was edited on 7/11/19 at 2:07 am
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Posted on 7/11/19 at 2:17 am to EST
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Who would have thought? I've probably spent $1000 this year alone at the vet.
They have access to euthanasia meds and it can be a psychologically distressing job.
Posted on 7/11/19 at 2:24 am to EST
I was in my vet's waiting room one time and witnessed a family arguing over how much to spend on their dog who had been hit by a car. The dog needed surgery and ole boy was having none of it. His wife was alternately crying and arguing with him and the youngins were wailing. Vet finally agreed to splint the leg and hope for the best. An MD gets paid more and doesn't have to contend with that.
Posted on 7/11/19 at 4:00 am to EST
I would be interested in knowing how their suicide rate compares to other professions. Just saying 2x the national average doesn't tell us much. I bet there's a lot of professions with equal or higher numbers. (Yep construction workers are #1 by a mile).
It's clear that newspaper is trying to equate student loan debt with suicide when there's no direct evidence of that. Indeed the very study they cite says this:
Don't these countries have free college? If so that kind of invalidates the entire debt hypothesis.
The lesson here is journalists are not scientists and should stay far away from interpreting such data.
It's clear that newspaper is trying to equate student loan debt with suicide when there's no direct evidence of that. Indeed the very study they cite says this:
quote:
A higher-than-expected number of deaths from suicide among veterinarians has been described in multiple studies1–8 from Australia, Norway, and the United Kingdom.
Don't these countries have free college? If so that kind of invalidates the entire debt hypothesis.
The lesson here is journalists are not scientists and should stay far away from interpreting such data.
This post was edited on 7/11/19 at 5:49 am
Posted on 7/11/19 at 4:57 am to EST
Our daughter is a vet. My wife and I have discussed this before and it is due to the fact that it is a high stressed, long hour job that is consistently surrounded by death by either the animal dying or they have to euthanize them. Here's an article that lists suicide rates by profession and gives some insight.
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Posted on 7/11/19 at 5:40 am to EST
When I think of suicide and vets being connected, the last thing I'm thinking of is student loans
I'm thinking of the constant death and grieving families.
I worked at a vet years ago and thankfully I was in the hospital part. I couldn't handle the exam rooms with the families
I'm thinking of the constant death and grieving families.
I worked at a vet years ago and thankfully I was in the hospital part. I couldn't handle the exam rooms with the families
Posted on 7/11/19 at 5:44 am to EST
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Some vets can even carry student loans of $250,000 – debt they’ll be paying back well into retirement.
This little tidbit is a bit dramatic.
Posted on 7/11/19 at 5:51 am to EST
Working in any healthcare environment is stressing, whether it be for humans or pets.
My best friend is a veterinarian and she is one of the most compassionate people I know. There are days she breaks down to me over her work whether it be a pet she loses, or a pet owner who won't pay for a diagnostic test but will treat her like shite when she can't answer their questions or treat their pet. She said most days she feels like a punching bag.
My best friend is a veterinarian and she is one of the most compassionate people I know. There are days she breaks down to me over her work whether it be a pet she loses, or a pet owner who won't pay for a diagnostic test but will treat her like shite when she can't answer their questions or treat their pet. She said most days she feels like a punching bag.
Posted on 7/11/19 at 6:02 am to EST
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Some vets can even carry student loans of $250,000
These folks probably went to school in the islands. cost is much higher to go to one of those schools. Given vet salaries I would advise not going this route if one can’t get into a regular vet school.
Wife is a vet working for a very successful practice. She does ok but doesn’t make near enough to compensate how much she works and what she does. It definitely is a drag on her emotionally at times but given where she works her clients are more likely to do what they can to save their dogs (even take them to AU/LSU if necessary)
I get fricking livid when people accuse vets of trying to get rich off of people emotions or that “it doesn’t cost me this much at the doctors office”. People are dumb.
This post was edited on 7/11/19 at 6:06 am
Posted on 7/11/19 at 6:07 am to EST
Vets are one of the biggest scams of this age. Paying what they make you pay when your pup gets sick is criminal
Posted on 7/11/19 at 6:18 am to EST
I dated a vet and she had a huge chip on her shoulder about not being an MD. Got pretty annoying, especially when she would try and convince people that being a vet is not a respected profession.
Posted on 7/11/19 at 6:21 am to EST
What's the correlation between this and me having to pay $1000 for getting little Dexter's paws trimmed?
Posted on 7/11/19 at 6:26 am to EST
Being a vet would be a very emotional job I think. Giving shots to puppies, etc would be just so much fun, but dealing with terribly injured pets and the families would be stressful.
Posted on 7/11/19 at 6:42 am to EST
Not surprised and never thought Vets made great money. They do it for the love of animals
Most animal surgeries and procedures can be expensive but they aren’t that expensive compared to humans and what doctors make.
My dads open heart surgery was 500k
Most animal surgeries and procedures can be expensive but they aren’t that expensive compared to humans and what doctors make.
My dads open heart surgery was 500k
Posted on 7/11/19 at 7:05 am to EST
It's probably because they went into veterinarian school to help out the world and help animals, only to have to put up with the loser public that largely doesn't care shite for pets, plus they don't get the big time pay, plus it's not as glamorous as to having slutty nurses hitting on you all day.
Posted on 7/11/19 at 7:14 am to EST
My niece is married to a Vet who has his own practice. Socially he’s expected to run with MDs and such but the profit generated by the business is half of a similar-sized MDs practice. He specializes in some arcane animal groups in addition to his dog/cat regular 9-5 gig which helps make him a bit more regional to bird & reptile folk.
He can barter a bit but that can get slippery.
He’s a good dude, my niece is a bit wacky (image that?).
Er kann auch deutsch, was gut ist.
He can barter a bit but that can get slippery.
He’s a good dude, my niece is a bit wacky (image that?).
Er kann auch deutsch, was gut ist.
Posted on 7/11/19 at 7:36 am to EST
Vet here.
It can be extremely exhausting and easy to get burnt out with what we do. I work 6+, sometimes 7 days per week. The pay is not what u would think. It’s easy to judge from an outside view of how we work, however, it’s not what you think. I probably average 4 hours of sleep per night, because the stress level of different cases and patients wears on you.
It can be extremely exhausting and easy to get burnt out with what we do. I work 6+, sometimes 7 days per week. The pay is not what u would think. It’s easy to judge from an outside view of how we work, however, it’s not what you think. I probably average 4 hours of sleep per night, because the stress level of different cases and patients wears on you.
Posted on 7/11/19 at 8:10 am to EST
I always heard Dentists were the highest.
Posted on 7/11/19 at 8:13 am to EST
I'm good friends with a vet. He believes this is b/c most vets go into vet school b/c they love animals. Then once they're a vet, a good portion of the job is euthanizing animals.
Posted on 7/11/19 at 9:02 am to EST
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Who would have thought?
I've probably spent $1000 this year alone at the vet.
While you're a dipshit for that comment, the topic is very interesting to me.
3 friends of mine have committed suicide in the last 5 yrs. 2 were not unexpected as they were the publicly confident almost cocky guys who went way overboard trying to look good and put on a facade to friends while struggling with depression behind closed doors. And men rarely get the help they need. But that's another topic...
The 3rd... was a very humble and compassionate veterinarian who I knew from playing rugby in Baton Rouge(she played for LSU and BR Womens team).
Her suicide caught everyone by surprise as she seemed so fulfilled in life. After graduating LSU Vet School she had taken off for the PNW.
I kept up with her posts on FB where she'd be delivering horse babies in the middle of the night and other awesome stuff vets do. Very tragic and sad to us back here in BR who knew her.
So that's an interesting stat and perspective.
Oh again. You're a dick for the $1000 comment.
This post was edited on 7/11/19 at 9:07 am
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