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re: looks like a push to change the limit on spcks in LA is coming or....
Posted on 6/26/19 at 7:20 pm to Bedhog
Posted on 6/26/19 at 7:20 pm to Bedhog
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I dont give a crap about science or fishery quotas. I know what's right. Nobody needs 25 trout a day.
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I'm guessing the outdoor board is now the OT lounge. Got it. I'm done with this. I've said my peace.
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 7:23 pm to Bedhog
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Nobody needs that much fish.
Who are you to say this? I can’t catch and bring fish to friends and family? I only keep what I can eat fresh and give the rest away. How is that wasteful?
Posted on 6/26/19 at 7:25 pm to Bedhog
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So, I'm guessing the outdoor board is now the OT lounge. Got it. I'm done with this. I've said my peace.
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 7:39 pm to michael corleone
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I think they are better off letting you keep he first 15 you catch regardless of size. Lots of mortality when you throw back 10-11 inch specks.
I agree w this, but what happens after the 15th fish? Do you have to stop fishing? If not, that mortality problem will still be a problem.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 7:40 pm to choupiquesushi
They just lowered us to 5 trout on the Texas side of sabine starting September 1. Cca and trophy fishermen are pushing it. I always put in across the bridge so it doesn't bother me.. but Texas is chicken shite when it comes to game laws..
Posted on 6/26/19 at 8:07 pm to Bedhog
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I dont give a crap about science or fishery quotas. I know what's right. Nobody needs 25 trout a day.
Well at least you're humble about it.
Again - what you find acceptable is not the determining factor on how a population needs to be managed. Data and science should be the determining factor. That's why we pay biologists who went to school for this to determine the appropriate season and bag limits.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 8:51 pm to Bedhog
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You're so wrong about this. Not hating at all about people who cant catch their limits. It's just very wasteful and unnecessary to have a 25 fish limit per person each day. Nobody needs that much fish.
But let’s be realistic. How many people are actually catching 25 fish per day on a regular basis and what determines a regular basis? Every Saturday? How many times a year does the average person spec fish and of those times how many does he actually catch a limit.
I’ve been spec fishing for 45 years and while I’ve had many glorious meat hauls I’ve had an equal amount of mediocre to disappointing trips.
And as a guy that takes pride in being able to provide, Ive fed many family members and friends over the years that love fish yet have no way to participate other than the grocery store. Same as giving away my tomatoes. I make a lot of friends.
I’d like to be able to keep a couple more Redfish myself.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 9:15 pm to Martini
Guides, etc will likely be all over this. For the handful that still fish for trout, lot of guys just put tourists on reds Bc they’re often closer and don’t require live bait.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 9:38 pm to The Last Coco
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Again - what you find acceptable is not the determining factor on how a population needs to be managed. Data and science should be the determining factor
So let’s take it the other way then, if fisherman don’t have an effect on the population why have a limit at all? Why not allow more commercial netting? Where does it stop?
It blows my mind the entire state is under one rule to be honest. That makes almost 0 sense for trout.
Let’s also be honest about meat hauls, for every guy that catches a ton and gives it away and it’s all consumed, there’s likely multiple aholes that waste almost all of it. There’s guys that don’t count because they don’t care and just take a picture and don’t want to clean the fish. There’s guys that throw it away, etc.
Where would the populations be without humans?
The simple solution is you do something like split the state into zones by roads or waterways or something. And have different limits. Then you can also get some better scientific evidence Year over year but still not perfect by any means.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 9:55 pm to keakar
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numerous scientific research studies and data collection has shown that reducing creel limits creates too many predators and they quickly decimate the food stocks.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 10:02 pm to baldona
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So let’s take it the other way then, if fisherman don’t have an effect on the population why have a limit at all? Why not allow more commercial netting? Where does it stop?
Good point. But I don’t think you can equate commercial fisherman with rec anglers. Nets are far more effective and the comms are out there every day. Most Rec anglers aren’t.
I agree you have some frick sticks who meat haul and waste fish, but how often does that happen?
It’s apples & oranges with commercials to rec anglers IMO.
And I don’t think anyone is suggesting no limits. But obviously there is a huge gulf ( ha ha, get it?) in agreement on this.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 10:09 pm to michael corleone
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I think they are better off letting you keep he first 15 you catch regardless of size. Lots of mortality when you throw back 10-11 inch specks.
I agree with this.. I'd rather keep a 11" trout than throw it back dead. When duck hunting you can't throw back the dead ones you don't want, they call that wanton waste. Fishing should be the same.
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 6/26/19 at 11:06 pm to Drunken Crawfish
I have a camp south of Houma. Been fishing it for 40 years. Last year was worst trout season in my lifetime, likely the bad winter before, lots of fresh dirty water, and just general weather.
I made 6 trips to barrier island and got a 2 man limit once and a 4 man limit once. Other 4 trips, 2 caught 20-30 fish. No winter trips were made due to conditions and reports. With satellite technology, wind apps, and first hand reports, I don’t make any wasted trips. I like catching more than fishing, but prefer topwater when possible.
The winter fishing is usually smaller fish, but more plentiful, and less dependent on wind conditions for us. Last winter was zilch for us.
So, maybe I’m spoiled. But getting to make maybe 6 day trips during the spawn, where I have to leave my house at 2 am and drive 3 hours to get in the boat and drive another 30 min to make 15 casts when the bite is on, then come home?
I quit fishing snapper, and quit hunting for the same reasons. Just not enough return on the investment for me. I don’t sit in a stand and stalk one deer all season either. I don’t cast 100 times to catch one bass, then release it.
It’s my prerogative. I tell guys in TX and FL all the time that if I could only catch what they do, I would do something else. Glad I had the experiences I did over the years, also glad I didn’t buy a lifetime license. LOL
I made 6 trips to barrier island and got a 2 man limit once and a 4 man limit once. Other 4 trips, 2 caught 20-30 fish. No winter trips were made due to conditions and reports. With satellite technology, wind apps, and first hand reports, I don’t make any wasted trips. I like catching more than fishing, but prefer topwater when possible.
The winter fishing is usually smaller fish, but more plentiful, and less dependent on wind conditions for us. Last winter was zilch for us.
So, maybe I’m spoiled. But getting to make maybe 6 day trips during the spawn, where I have to leave my house at 2 am and drive 3 hours to get in the boat and drive another 30 min to make 15 casts when the bite is on, then come home?
I quit fishing snapper, and quit hunting for the same reasons. Just not enough return on the investment for me. I don’t sit in a stand and stalk one deer all season either. I don’t cast 100 times to catch one bass, then release it.
It’s my prerogative. I tell guys in TX and FL all the time that if I could only catch what they do, I would do something else. Glad I had the experiences I did over the years, also glad I didn’t buy a lifetime license. LOL
Posted on 6/26/19 at 11:27 pm to choupiquesushi
Yea yall’s trout regulations are ridiculous. 12 inches is preposterous.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 11:32 pm to wahoocs
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I tell guys in TX and FL all the time that if I could only catch what they do, I would do something else.
If I was worried about ROI I would buy fish at the grocery store. There’s been many times I’ve caught my 5 fish limit in a half hour in the FL panhandle and ended up turning loose 45 fish over the course of the day. They’re fun to catch, especially with the allure of possibly hooking into that gator. The tug is a drug. The meat is lagniappe
Posted on 6/27/19 at 5:24 am to choupiquesushi
All I hear from the people pushing it are "I cant catch a full limit".
Yall are using the same argument Democrats use for everything. "Ph I dont like it so no one else should do it, either"
Yall are using the same argument Democrats use for everything. "Ph I dont like it so no one else should do it, either"
Posted on 6/27/19 at 5:30 am to Bedhog
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Nobody needs more that 10-15 trout per day. fricking ridiculous.
Bunch of virtue signalling here.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 5:57 am to Bedhog
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Not going to argue about this anymore. I dont give a crap about science or fishery quotas. I know what's right. Nobody needs 25 trout a day.
You some sort of retard? Why do you get to decide how much fish anyone needs?
I have an idea. You have too much money. You don’t need all that money. So you shouldn’t be allowed to have it. We can take it from you and spread it around to people that need it.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 6:00 am to PapaPogey
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I’m all for change, IF there’s science to back it up. How often do 2 people go out and catch 50 specks? Not often and I fish more than most on here. If the current limit is already nearly unattainable for most people in most circumstances, than I see no reason to change it.
Dropping the limit from 25 to say, 15, wouldn't affect the net amount of fish I catch in a year, probably, as I seldom limit out.
To me, the size limit is a key factor. If increased from 12 to say 14", I would think this might result in a lot more fish in the fishery. Is that a good or bad thing? Is there enough food to support the increase? Will it result in more or less 14" and up fish? And if it does, do we need to drop the daily catch limit?
Not that it's up to me, but seems like close evaluation of the results of changes would be the key to it being successful. AND the willingness to make adjustments quickly if it isn't.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 6:07 am to wahoocs
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I will become a full time golfer when it does
Too much investment of time and money to be done in an hour.
What a douchey thing to say
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