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re: looks like a push to change the limit on spcks in LA is coming or....
Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:19 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:19 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
quote:I'd like to see more on that. Ms has had different results:
Every single time this has been scientifically examined it has led to the conclusion that your hunch is correct and limits have nothing to do with it.
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In December, the Commission on Marine Resources voted to increase the minimum size limit on speckled trout from 13 inches to 15 inches. The new regulation went into effect Monday, Jan. 16.
Officials hope the new rule will help replenish the declining speckled trout population. A stock assessment presented to the commission in 2016 indicated overfishing has become a serious problem for South Mississippi's speckled trout population.
"We have seen an increase in recreational fishing over the past 10 years, and because of that, we're taking more speckled trout out of the population," said Jamie Miller, executive director of the Mississippi Department of Marine Resources. "Our scientists ran several different models to determine the best way to increase the spawning potential ratio, and they found that increasing the size limit from 13 inches to 15 inches would produce the best results. We believe that this will help us get to a sustainable stock of speckled trout in the next three to five years."
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:20 pm to redneck
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fish more or buy it. Buying it costs less than a fishing trip anyways
so you'd rather the commercial fishermen gain more authority- a likely result if more people buy than actually fish for the species- over the fishery?
Certainly seems to be working well with Red Snapper. No one ever complains about that season.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:23 pm to AlxTgr
MS also had a serious issue with out of state gillnetters and has taken steps over the last few years to step up enforcement, but that’s probably another thread.
The difference with MS and TX is they don’t have the habitat in the form of the MS river constantly dumping nutrient rich water into massive estuaries. Their fisheries may very well be much more sensitive to overfishing, as food just isn’t as available to allow recruitment. LA is an entirely different animal and has to be treated as such.
The difference with MS and TX is they don’t have the habitat in the form of the MS river constantly dumping nutrient rich water into massive estuaries. Their fisheries may very well be much more sensitive to overfishing, as food just isn’t as available to allow recruitment. LA is an entirely different animal and has to be treated as such.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:30 pm to Bedhog
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Everyone I've ever fished with that caught their limit of trout didnt keep anywhere near what they caught. Always gave filets away to friends,family and clients. Thays not how this should work.
how should it work? Should you be able to tell someone else what to do with their catch? So what if they give half their limit away? Who are you to decide that its wrong? As long as its not wanton waste, why does it matter where the filets end up?
FTR, I don't get to chase specs very often so whether I keep 15 or 25 is of little consequence.
But it would be nice to be able to keep 25 fish when I finally do get the chance to get on them. Seriously doubt I'm the reason the fishery is failing. If it is.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:30 pm to The Last Coco
Meh nets, corn, heaters and shite 
The LSU study 13 years ago determined that trout are place specific and do not travel outside of their estuary. I am all for 14" min size because that will limit the creel without dropping the limit.
If you would fish with some of the people i have to, it's a no brainer since most couldn't catch a cold.
The LSU study 13 years ago determined that trout are place specific and do not travel outside of their estuary. I am all for 14" min size because that will limit the creel without dropping the limit.
If you would fish with some of the people i have to, it's a no brainer since most couldn't catch a cold.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:52 pm to AlxTgr
I don't believe much at all of what MS DMR are selling. I think politics drives the law more than science, IMHO.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:58 pm to choupiquesushi
Yea that is BS.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 5:03 pm to choupiquesushi
I’m all for change, IF there’s science to back it up. How often do 2 people go out and catch 50 specks? Not often and I fish more than most on here. If the current limit is already nearly unattainable for most people in most circumstances, than I see no reason to change it.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 5:11 pm to PapaPogey
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IF there’s science to back it up.
Agree 100%
Posted on 6/26/19 at 5:16 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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he difference with MS and TX is they don’t have the protected habitat, i.e. gated waterways
FIFY
Posted on 6/26/19 at 5:48 pm to choupiquesushi
Ban inshore shrimping like MS and the fish populations will explode. At least in the bays if nothing else
Posted on 6/26/19 at 5:59 pm to duckdude
But if they said the opposite, you'd believe it...
Posted on 6/26/19 at 6:16 pm to Drunken Crawfish
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I don't think that them lowering the creel limit has anywhere near the impact on the fishery as the hard freezes in 2017 and the amount of freshwater intrusion from spring rains that the lake has had the last 5 years.
too many here arent interested in the truth or facts, they are mad they cant catch 25 fish limits so they want to prevent everyone else from doing it out of spite and jealousy.
numerous scientific research studies and data collection has shown that reducing creel limits creates too many predators and they quickly decimate the food stocks. so a short term one or two year abundance quickly turns into food shortages that stunt fish growth and sizes.
it has the exact opposite result then intended in that it increases undersized fish numbers while preventing fish the food they need to grow larger. its all there if anyone cared enough to research it.
but muh, if i cant catch 25 nobody should be allowed to
the average person spends $100-$150 per fishing trip, at a 25 fish limit thats $4-$6 per fish it cost you to catch it assuming you even catch a limit.
now reduce that to 15 limit and if you catch a limit it costs you almost $10 per fish to catch.
you are all doing a better job at stopping people from fishing then PETA ever hoped for when you make fish cost more then its worth to catch them
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 6:18 pm
Posted on 6/26/19 at 6:19 pm to keakar
You're so wrong about this. Not hating at all about people who cant catch their limits. It's just very wasteful and unnecessary to have a 25 fish limit per person each day. Nobody needs that much fish.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 6:26 pm to Bedhog
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You're so wrong about this.
there are numerous scientific studies and they all say speck populations are not just healthy but thriving and could sustain increased limits, not reducing them.
they prove short term conditions like freezes hurt certain year classes but not recruitment numbers of the surviving hatches so there will always be up and down years with the numbers of fish landings completely unrelated to creel limits and based solely on temporary weather conditions.
but im sure yoiu know more then scientists who do this shite for a living and have PHDs in fish data collection
Posted on 6/26/19 at 6:36 pm to Bedhog
quote:Who the hell are you to tell another man how much fish he needs? If the fisheries can sustain it, who gives a shite what’s in my freezer. You sound like a frickin Bernie supporter
Nobody needs that much fish.
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 6/26/19 at 6:37 pm to Bedhog
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It's just very wasteful and unnecessary to have a 25 fish limit per person each day. Nobody needs that much fish.
Not wasteful at all when you consider the weather limitations and the simple fact that it’s not like many people are catching 25 fish per man per trip. I could easily catch the perfect conditions and catch 50-100 specks in a given weekend. The bait move, the fish move and then boom you still have the same amount of caught fish over a couple month span. Y’all are blinded by the number when in fact it’s plain as day how hard it is to catch a limit of trout in south Louisiana for 3/4 of the year unless you’re a guide.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 6:54 pm to Uncle JackD
Not going to argue about this anymore. I dont give a crap about science or fishery quotas. I know what's right. Nobody needs 25 trout a day.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 6:58 pm to Bedhog
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dont give a crap about science or fishery quotas.
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Nobody needs 25 trout a day.
Based on bro science..? Got it
Posted on 6/26/19 at 7:18 pm to Uncle JackD
So, I'm guessing the outdoor board is now the OT lounge. Got it. I'm done with this. I've said my peace.
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