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re: Where do you stand on bartenders being responsible for their patrons?
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:53 am to PortHudsonPlaya
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:53 am to PortHudsonPlaya
How do they know he didn't go anywhere else and drink more after he left the bar? Maybe he had alcohol in his car that he drank before he left. I do think bartenders should cut people off once they get belligerent but people get in wrecks all the time after leaving a bar. How do you draw the line from someone being just a little drunk and killing someone and someone being completely shitfaced. Maybe he told the bartenders he was taking an uber. Who knows. Bartenders shouldn't be held responsible.
That being said, the fact that he's underage kind of changes things. Unless he had a fake ID they should probably face a little jail time.
That being said, the fact that he's underage kind of changes things. Unless he had a fake ID they should probably face a little jail time.
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Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:57 am to PortHudsonPlaya
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Teare says more than six hours, no one ever asked Hernandez for his ID and even took shots with him
That's pretty bad.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:59 am to PortHudsonPlaya
My father-in-law didn't want an open bar at my wedding because of the liability aspect. I thought it was bullshite and paid for it myself, but I guess its a real thing.
Edit: Just looked up Louisiana and they don't have any form of dram shop law.
Edit: Just looked up Louisiana and they don't have any form of dram shop law.
This post was edited on 12/20/18 at 11:03 am
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:59 am to PortHudsonPlaya
Then the McDonald’s drive thru should not serve fatties, or else they’ll be responsible for over serving if/when the fattie has a heart attack
“They should have known he was at risk of having a heart attack by looking at him”
“They should have known he was at risk of having a heart attack by looking at him”
This post was edited on 12/20/18 at 11:02 am
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:04 am to PortHudsonPlaya
Hell, while we’re at it, let’s arrest and blame the car salesman who sold the vehicle, too.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:07 am to PortHudsonPlaya
My wife(no pics) is an insurance underwriter. Listening to her talk about liquor liability is infuriating. In some cases the person might have started the night with a beer at a restaurant then went barhopping and got blitzed before causing an accident that maims/kills someone. Guess who is partially liable? Blows my fricking mind.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:08 am to PortHudsonPlaya
I think bartenders should cut someone off who is blatantly obliderated, but the fault lies with the patron. No one is forcing you to be there and drink yourself into oblivion. Be an adult and drink responsibly.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:11 am to PortHudsonPlaya
Ive always thought that was a difficult line. I know many of people who can be a complete mess, but pull it together just long enough to walk a few steps up to the bar and order a drink in a coherent manner. It’s essy to pass for a few minutes. It’s not like the decision to serve someone or not gives you a long sample time. It’s a quick decision.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:11 am to PortHudsonPlaya
No way a bartender, bar or restaurant should be charged in this. The guy left the bar, got in his car and drove. He's the one responsible for that.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:13 am to PortHudsonPlaya
Bartender response: "he told me he was going to call an Uber."
End of case?
End of case?
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:13 am to PortHudsonPlaya
100 percent responsibility on the patron. Should be anyway.
Absurd to ask that much out of a bartender.
Absurd to ask that much out of a bartender.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:27 am to PortHudsonPlaya
It’s not the bartenders fault.
It’s the personal responsibility of the drinker to either drink responsibly or to have a ride home. He and he alone chose to drive
It’s the personal responsibility of the drinker to either drink responsibly or to have a ride home. He and he alone chose to drive
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:29 am to PortHudsonPlaya
As someone who worked in the industry in college, it's obvious when someone has had too much. I never felt good about serving someone who I was worried would drive home. Had some tough conversations with my patrons, usually involving a "go get your manager" which certainly didn't help their case.
People should just be smarter and not get plastered and drive. But as a bartender, you are the one serving them as well...
ABC license teaches you how to spot a fake, so whether he had one or not, bartender and establishment are still fricked.
People should just be smarter and not get plastered and drive. But as a bartender, you are the one serving them as well...
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This guy was also 19. Not sure if he had a fake ID. If not, then they are f’ed.
ABC license teaches you how to spot a fake, so whether he had one or not, bartender and establishment are still fricked.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:31 am to PortHudsonPlaya
This is how drink limits at bars start happening to avoid suits.
But how in the world could anyone fault the bartender? Responsibility for your actions is your own.
But how in the world could anyone fault the bartender? Responsibility for your actions is your own.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:34 am to PortHudsonPlaya
That’s absolute bullshite. In no way is that the bars responsibility
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:34 am to PortHudsonPlaya
I'm also in the personal accountability camp. If you frick up, guess what? It's not somebody else's fault.
Several years ago, the home brew club I'm in volunteered to pour beer at a beer festival here in town. Some breweries only send beer, not people, to these things so they need volunteers to pour for them. We had to take a class on how not to over serve and what to do if a guy was clearly shitfaced. After the fest, word came down that one of the volunteer servers who was not in our club got hit with a $500 fine for over serving somebody. After that we said frick it. Pour your own beer.
Several years ago, the home brew club I'm in volunteered to pour beer at a beer festival here in town. Some breweries only send beer, not people, to these things so they need volunteers to pour for them. We had to take a class on how not to over serve and what to do if a guy was clearly shitfaced. After the fest, word came down that one of the volunteer servers who was not in our club got hit with a $500 fine for over serving somebody. After that we said frick it. Pour your own beer.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:39 am to PortHudsonPlaya
A friend had to deal with this bullshite back in the early 2000's. He owned a bar and 3 frat bros were drinking on the night before Thanksgiving. They started off at his place, had a few drinks and went on to other bars throughout the night. Think Parkway or Par 4's was the last bar they were at before they drove home at like 4am and got in a wreck on I-10 killing 2 of the guys and paralysing the other.
My friend that owned the first bar they were at got sued by the parents. Didn't matter that it was about 7pm when they were there and only had a couple of drinks, his insurance settled. Some huge BS imo
My friend that owned the first bar they were at got sued by the parents. Didn't matter that it was about 7pm when they were there and only had a couple of drinks, his insurance settled. Some huge BS imo
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:44 am to PortHudsonPlaya
do we hold pharmacists and doctors responsible for opiod deaths?
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:54 am to PortHudsonPlaya
dram shop laws vary. if i recall, louisiana has no bartender liability, unless the patron was underaged. if they serve underaged patrons, the bartender is liable to whomever the drunk hurts.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 12:15 pm to PortHudsonPlaya
No one is responsible for you other than you. To charge bartenders when something like this happens or charging a drug dealer for someone ODing is completely ignorant but par for the course these days. No one is responsible for their own decisions anymore
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