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What is your base for an AD trade?
Posted on 12/19/18 at 11:54 am
Posted on 12/19/18 at 11:54 am
Considering AD turns down the supermax and requests a trade, what would be your bottom line in a trade and still remain competitive, and possibly even better?
I will assume we will end up working something out for Beal or someone equal to him. Also assuming we re-sign Randle/Niko and Payton.
I also will assume 4 teams will be heavily bidding for him, and possibly have a dark horse come out of nowhere throwing their hat into the ring, which having so many teams bidding against each other will assure we will get the best possible package.
Boston:
We send AD, we recieve Rozier (S&T), Tatum, and Baynes
76ers:
AD to Philly Chandler, Reddick (s&t) and Simmons to NOLA.
Knicks:
Send AD, recieve KP, Ntilikina, 2019 1st
Lakers:
Send AD, recieve Ball, Ingram, Kuzma
Someone like Portland may come out of left field and throw their hat in also and offer up a player on Lilliards level.
Either way this shakes out, we have the possibility of having a good/great squad with or without AD.
I will assume we will end up working something out for Beal or someone equal to him. Also assuming we re-sign Randle/Niko and Payton.
I also will assume 4 teams will be heavily bidding for him, and possibly have a dark horse come out of nowhere throwing their hat into the ring, which having so many teams bidding against each other will assure we will get the best possible package.
Boston:
We send AD, we recieve Rozier (S&T), Tatum, and Baynes
76ers:
AD to Philly Chandler, Reddick (s&t) and Simmons to NOLA.
Knicks:
Send AD, recieve KP, Ntilikina, 2019 1st
Lakers:
Send AD, recieve Ball, Ingram, Kuzma
Someone like Portland may come out of left field and throw their hat in also and offer up a player on Lilliards level.
Either way this shakes out, we have the possibility of having a good/great squad with or without AD.
This post was edited on 12/19/18 at 12:42 pm
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Posted on 12/19/18 at 11:56 am to Soggymoss
Yeah I'm fine with like all of these. It obvious that we can't build around AD. We've had enough time to do so. Time to trade in.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 12:03 pm to Soggymoss
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We send AD, we recieve Rozier (S&T), Tatum, and Baynes
Salaries won't work unless Rozier is making near $12M-$15M on a new deal. Would work with Smart though.
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We could actually make out like bandits here since Philly has cap space that we could use in a S&T if we could convince someone like Kemba or Klay to sign with us. Send AD to Philly, recieve S&T guy (I would love Klay) and Simmons
Don't really understand this one. Philly can't just sign a guy then trade him to us. And no one is signing here in the summer if we're trading AD. Simmons would be one of the top assets though.
quote:
Send AD, recieve KP, Ntilikina, 2019 1st
Add in Knox and it would be near the top of my list.
quote:
Send AD, recieve Ball, Ingram, Kuzma
Would rather Hart over Ball.
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Portland
If they're trading for AD it means they want to contend for a title. In which case they're not trading Lillard. Would probably trade McCollum, but is that really better than what else you can get? Nah.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 12:21 pm to Soggymoss
Would take Ball/Hart/Kuzma/salary filler and 2 1sts from Lakers. Or would take Tatum/Smart/Morris with the Philly/Sac pick and Clippers pick.
Trade with Lakers starting 5
PG: Ball
SG: Jrue
SF: Hart/Moore
Big: Niko
Big: Randle
Bench: Hart/Moore, Kuzma, etc.
Trade with Celtics starting 5:
PG: Smart
SG: Jrue
SF: Tatum
Big: Niko
Big: Randle
Bench: Moore, Morris, etc.
Trade with Lakers starting 5
PG: Ball
SG: Jrue
SF: Hart/Moore
Big: Niko
Big: Randle
Bench: Hart/Moore, Kuzma, etc.
Trade with Celtics starting 5:
PG: Smart
SG: Jrue
SF: Tatum
Big: Niko
Big: Randle
Bench: Moore, Morris, etc.
This post was edited on 12/19/18 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 12/19/18 at 12:41 pm to Soggymoss
Nothing. Ride it until the wheels fall off. The value for a player like AD isn’t fluid. If he wants out he can let the front office know but I certainly wouldn’t be in a hurry to move him for anything less than what we deserve in return. At this point, he hasn’t let anything be known that we know of so don’t let yourself fall mercy to the clickbait-mongers
Posted on 12/19/18 at 12:53 pm to Soggymoss
I would fricking hate a Derozan type return like SAS got. I’d hope AD is worth much more than that though.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 12:58 pm to Soggymoss
Are any of those offers realistic considering your hypothetical has AD turning down the super max and requesting a trade?
Tatum is all but off-limits already, if they can just sit tight for another year and sign AD wouldn't they just do that rather than give up their guy?
The only one I think is realistic is the Knicks. It would be a decent consolation compared to the cornerstone we received for CP3.
Ideally the Lakers package with Ball and two athletic wings would be best. Ball would thrive in a Gentry system. Taking Hart over him is hilarious.
Tatum is all but off-limits already, if they can just sit tight for another year and sign AD wouldn't they just do that rather than give up their guy?
The only one I think is realistic is the Knicks. It would be a decent consolation compared to the cornerstone we received for CP3.
Ideally the Lakers package with Ball and two athletic wings would be best. Ball would thrive in a Gentry system. Taking Hart over him is hilarious.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 1:44 pm to Soggymoss
Posted on 12/19/18 at 2:01 pm to Soggymoss
You guys can put out all the trades and what the team would look like on paper but you are skipping a HUGE step?
Who is the coach? Who is the GM? What is the system?
If AD turns down the contract, does Dell get to start the rebuild? With a Gentry rebuild in mind? Or, does a new guy come and do the rebuild and does he hire another coach with a different system?
That is far more important than how the roster looks on paper. If they trade AD, they need to do it right for once. Bring in a GM and coach with a long term vision. Build a culture. Build depth, develop internally, use the new G League team, etc.
That's far more important IMO
Who is the coach? Who is the GM? What is the system?
If AD turns down the contract, does Dell get to start the rebuild? With a Gentry rebuild in mind? Or, does a new guy come and do the rebuild and does he hire another coach with a different system?
That is far more important than how the roster looks on paper. If they trade AD, they need to do it right for once. Bring in a GM and coach with a long term vision. Build a culture. Build depth, develop internally, use the new G League team, etc.
That's far more important IMO
Posted on 12/19/18 at 2:28 pm to Soggymoss
man its depressing this has now become a foregone conclusion
I'd be pissed and say its another star demanding to get sent to a big market....but the truth is we just blew it.
I'd be pissed and say its another star demanding to get sent to a big market....but the truth is we just blew it.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 3:14 pm to Soggymoss
I doubt he would turn down that supermax too much money to pass on. But if that’s the case no matter who the trade is with send me 2 young stars and 2 1st rounders at minimum
Posted on 12/19/18 at 4:09 pm to Soggymoss
I’d call up Boston and ask for Tatum/Brown in a package and let them turn me down. If they do, then negotiations start. If they don’t, even better.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 4:25 pm to Soggymoss
Lakers ball Ingram Kuzma and hart
Posted on 12/19/18 at 6:29 pm to Soggymoss
he'll go to LA because they know Lebron's clock is ticking and he can make up lost salary with endorsements
It's a shame Gentry and Dell were allowed to ruin his whole career here. And they are still on the fricking clock. Lol smh
It's a shame Gentry and Dell were allowed to ruin his whole career here. And they are still on the fricking clock. Lol smh
Posted on 12/20/18 at 9:19 am to Soggymoss
quote:Tatum+Brown. Boston also may have as many as four 1sts next year, so there are many ways to get creative w/Boston.
What is your base for an AD trade?
If Boston is receptive and willing to negotiate in good faith, I basically wouldn't even mess with the Lakers at all, other than to drive the price up on Boston.
Boston has much better assets to give up IMO.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 4:06 pm to Soggymoss
Man, with what you would accept, you must hate NOP? Or not value an NBA top 5 franchise anchor?
I want all four of Boston's 1st round picks, or at least the top three of them, plus a player off the roster.
I want all four of Boston's 1st round picks, or at least the top three of them, plus a player off the roster.
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