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re: Amendment #2 Vote NO to protect against SJW
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:58 am to Michael Hayes
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:58 am to Michael Hayes
For all the ones posting anecdotes about 1 or 2 holdouts because of some sjw motive, I have a thought experiment for you. What if someone was being tried for sexual assault in a city like Baton Rouge or New Orleans and you had an entirely woman/sjw/minority jury, save for one or two conservative minds?
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Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:59 am to Tommy Callahan
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"It is better that ten guilty escape than one innocent suffer." -William Blackstone
" It's better that 10 innocent men are locked up than one guilty man walk free." - Dwight Schrute.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:59 am to el Gaucho
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el Gaucho
election day is like Christmas morning for this guy1
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:59 am to Joshjrn
When you're trying to prove things beyond a reasonable doubt, the 10-2 thing seems merely to protect the courts from the unreasonable people.
All these anecdotal stories of people refusing to change their opinion in light of the evidence are stories of people who are not upholding their obligations as a juror. They are not being reasonable.
All these anecdotal stories of people refusing to change their opinion in light of the evidence are stories of people who are not upholding their obligations as a juror. They are not being reasonable.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:00 am to Joshjrn
These baws will be singing a different tune if they are ever Kavanaughed.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:01 am to ProjectP2294
Do you think our criminal justice system functions better than the rest of the country?
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:03 am to NIH
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10 out of 12 is enough leeway to ensure justice one way or the other.
Until it's your liberty at stake
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:04 am to NIH
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Do you think our criminal justice system functions better than the rest of the country?
Do you think the functionality of our criminal justice system is a reflection of anything other than our population?
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:04 am to NIH
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Do you think our criminal justice system functions better than the rest of the country?
No. But I don't think a unanimous jury would fix the problems.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:04 am to TigersSEC2010
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Voted no. frick SJWs.
So people like Antonin Scalia are SJW's in your book? I think this is for capital offenses . If you are going to permanently take an individual's liberty , then I don't think it is too much to ask that the individual has the righto a jury conviction where the jury as a whole was in unanimity
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:07 am to Michael Hayes
This one is an obvious YES vote. This isn’t political. All the ultra conservative people I know are voting YES.
Use your brain, your story cuts the other way too doesn’t it?
SJWs are living rent free in your mind
Use your brain, your story cuts the other way too doesn’t it?
SJWs are living rent free in your mind
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:08 am to el Gaucho
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The other 48 states don’t have demographics
Clarify?
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:09 am to KiwiHead
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I think this is for capital offenses .
Capital offenses already require a unanimous decision.
Here's the thing though, life without parole does not! 10-2 is apparently enough for folks here to allow the government to strip away a person's rights for life. Going unanimous also allows a check against the leverage DAs have to get plea bargains. Don't see how people who are concerned with the power of the government would support keeping it the same, unless there's some other reason clouding their opinion...
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:14 am to Y.A. Tittle
I mean, I understand "no" in the context of our dysfunctional population. I just think it's somewhat silly for people here to decry the power of the state or the potential of "me too" abuse while also supporting 10/12 juries
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:17 am to NIH
I think the "there's going to be one black person on the jury who's going to refuse to convict another black person" argument is horrible.
But for those people think of it the other way.
You get arrested for something in Orleans parish. There's only one white person on the jury. Good luck.
But for those people think of it the other way.
You get arrested for something in Orleans parish. There's only one white person on the jury. Good luck.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:18 am to Joshjrn
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Still no. Hung jury. State gets to retry.
D'oh! You're right.
Okay then, "were this change to pass that guy would have caused the state to at least double its prosecution costs because he would have had to be tried again".
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:19 am to Joshjrn
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It's not the same thing as an acquittal.
Almost like OJ never happened
Sometimes people don't vote based on the evidence presented. They feel like kneeling instead
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:22 am to PoBoy1
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Until it's your liberty at stake
Dont worry- they only convict the guilty, remember?
Its not like Louisiana has ever had an issue with this.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:23 am to Duke
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Don't see how people who are concerned with the power of the government would support keeping it the same, unless there's some other reason clouding their opinion...
Mostly because a lot of the small govt conservatives here have no problem giving the govt more power.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:23 am to Michael Hayes
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I was on a jury once and we convicted this black guy for robbery and assault on a business owner who was walking to his vehicle after closing. The evidence was overwhelming and we came back with a 11/12 verdict. The one standout, a black girl, who no matter what, did not want to convict him. Never presented an argument for why she believes he was innocent. Was firm on her decision. Vote NO, guys.
And because it was 10/12 requirement, no discussion was even necessary.
The fact of the matter is there are reasonable reasons for both the 10/12 and unanimous jury requirements.
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