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re: Oklahoma teachers planning statewide strike

Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:37 pm to
Posted by Whataburger
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Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:37 pm to
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starting at 52k in Spring.


As opposed to starting in Autumn?
Posted by SoulGlo
Shinin' Through
Member since Dec 2011
17248 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:39 pm to
You're FAAHHRRDD!
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
32594 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:59 pm to
I hope Louisiana teachers do follow suit. I, personally, will come to work, but the idiots in BR and NOLA should do it.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:59 pm to
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Oklahoma teachers


Used to live in OK and can NOT confirm that these actually exist.
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30123 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 2:10 pm to
$30k a year pay divided by 12 months comes to $2500 a month and teachers dont work 12 months a year, more like just 10 or less, so its really $3000 a month they earn.

i am not saying they are getting rich, but the average wage for blue collar workers is about that so there are definitely not working for minimum wages.

teachers having unions and going on strike is stupid.

as a teacher, if you do not want to work for what they pay, quit, its that simple. when they cant hire teachers they will offer more money, its called supply and demand.



Posted by El Segundo Guy
SE OK
Member since Aug 2014
9649 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 2:20 pm to
frick em. I have land and a small business there in Oklahoma and it's the state's own damn fault. The reason the state has no tax revenue base for the schools is because they let the tribes buy up all of the land and then it gets put in trust and is non taxable.

The effective tax rates on citizens are in line with other "flyover" states but the large amount of non taxable entities don't generate enough revenue to allow for a raise.
Posted by Devil_doge
DFW
Member since Sep 2016
2499 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 3:24 pm to
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The reason the state has no tax revenue base for the schools is because they let the tribes buy up all of the land and then it gets put in trust and is non taxable. The effective tax rates on citizens are in line with other "flyover" states but the large amount of non taxable entities don't generate enough revenue to allow for a raise.



All of this and I've seen it first hand. Hell, the state can't afford to fund the OHP either among many other programs.
Posted by Crimson Wraith
Member since Jan 2014
24915 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 3:52 pm to
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teachers dont work 12 months a year



Lots of them don't work but around 8 months a year.
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30123 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 6:10 pm to
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Lots of them don't work but around 8 months a year.


so then that puts them at $3750 a month or just a few dollars short of making $1000 a week, plus they get a full benefit package to boot

thats not bad at all, and many people wish they earned that much a week
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
134887 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 6:12 pm to
Damn, some OK students gonna be getting laid en masse that day
Posted by Pecker
Rocky Top
Member since May 2015
16674 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 6:23 pm to
Public school teachers in 2018 are borderline worthless and unnecessary. They should be replaced with robots.
Posted by Boatshoes
Member since Dec 2017
6775 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 7:07 pm to
Fire them all and outsource the public school system.

End property taxes.
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14515 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 8:09 pm to
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Fire them all and outsource the public school system.

End property taxes.


You think outsource teachers would work for free? Not sure you can end property taxes in that scenario chief. But you might get more for your money.
Posted by KrushGroove
Member since Jun 2012
905 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 8:13 pm to
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That's the underlying problem with public education. It's one of the easiest degrees to get at any university and because of that there are too many "qualified" teachers which keeps wages low.

Teaching should be a high wage career and becoming a teacher should me MUCH harder.


yep

there are places abroad where it's more difficult to get a job as a substitute teacher than it is to get a full time teaching gig in many states
Posted by pochejp
Gonzales, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2007
7855 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 8:23 pm to
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Oklahoma's school system is a wreck


So is Louisiana's.


Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162258 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 8:26 pm to
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Until teachers stop considering themselves to ALL be doing the "same" job.......this will never get solved.

Differential pay is the solution, but their unions would shite bricks

Agreed but if starting pay is 30k it sounds like the union is shitting the bed.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162258 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 8:31 pm to
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so then that puts them at $3750 a month or just a few dollars short of making $1000 a week, plus they get a full benefit package to boot

A lot of rounding on your part.

It's closer to 10 months a year worked and not 8.

The 250 you're neglecting does make a difference over the course of a month and there are 4.33 weeks in a month. Not 4. At any rate 30k is not a salary to be envious of. You can make that working at Olive garden
Posted by matthew25
Member since Jun 2012
9425 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 11:57 pm to
OKlahoma allows the teachers to join a union.

No union here in Mississippi and we do allright.
Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
16444 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 1:08 am to
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Public school system is a wreck


FIFY
Posted by MintBerry Crunch
Member since Nov 2010
4863 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 1:10 am to
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Public school teachers in 2018 are borderline worthless and unnecessary. They should be replaced with robots.


I'd say you were right if about half the students I supervise in online courses weren't behind their in courses. A few are significantly behind. Then what? Kids have no knowledge and no social skills.

I'll wager a bet you've never taught.
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