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Will 1 full season be enough to know if coaching change was the right move?
Posted on 8/11/17 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 8/11/17 at 3:16 pm
Usually, judgement is held off until the new coach has a few years to get his recruited players and system in place. Will O get this same courtesy if the season ends 8-4 or worse?
He will be credited for success by most fans, if he goes 10-2 or better this year.
I am expecting 8-4 this year and 10+ wins next year and do think the coaching change was a good move.
He will be credited for success by most fans, if he goes 10-2 or better this year.
I am expecting 8-4 this year and 10+ wins next year and do think the coaching change was a good move.
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 3:18 pm to tigbit
I say yes since we will see just how changed the offense actually is.
Regardless, we had to get away from what we were doing the last 4 years. We're too good of a program to be happy with a 10 win ceiling. So the answer is already yes.
Regardless, we had to get away from what we were doing the last 4 years. We're too good of a program to be happy with a 10 win ceiling. So the answer is already yes.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 3:18 pm to tigbit
Yeah. If he wins the SEC.
The way I see it, we payed Les 10 mil not to coach us because we were fed up with the 9-3 seasons. I see no reason to expect anything less from his successor. I expect 10 wins annually with the occasion down year and occasionally playoff year.
The way I see it, we payed Les 10 mil not to coach us because we were fed up with the 9-3 seasons. I see no reason to expect anything less from his successor. I expect 10 wins annually with the occasion down year and occasionally playoff year.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 3:20 pm to tigbit
The No-O's promised to wait until the second play to complain about him!
Posted on 8/11/17 at 3:21 pm to tigbit
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Usually, judgement is held off until the new coach has a few years to get his recruited players and system in place.
I recall no such thing when Miles took over. Expectations were high with the talent he inherited.
Same rules apply for O.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 3:22 pm to tigbit
Since when do we accept 8-4. No matter who is coach?
Posted on 8/11/17 at 3:24 pm to tigbit
Bringing in Will Wade was for sure the right move. CJJ sucked!
Posted on 8/11/17 at 3:28 pm to tigbit
Unless it goes horribly horribly wrong (something like 2-10), then no.
That's really the only would you could make that judgement in year one. Even on the other end if he went like 11-1, one season of success isn't enough to say it was the right or wrong move.
So like I say, the only way you can make that call after 1 year is if it's just disastrously bad which isn't allowed at LSU.
That's really the only would you could make that judgement in year one. Even on the other end if he went like 11-1, one season of success isn't enough to say it was the right or wrong move.
So like I say, the only way you can make that call after 1 year is if it's just disastrously bad which isn't allowed at LSU.
This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 8/11/17 at 3:29 pm to tigbit
i have no doubt that we are going to kick some ARSE Lol
with coach o we get to have our cake and ice cream too !
lsu is going to be the blackened redfish in a pool of guppys !
with coach o we get to have our cake and ice cream too !
lsu is going to be the blackened redfish in a pool of guppys !
Posted on 8/11/17 at 3:39 pm to tigbit
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I am expecting 8-4 this year and 10+ wins next year and do think the coaching change was a good move.
I agree that 8-4 and 10-2 would be indicative of at least a lateral move, with potential upside. 8-4 will not pass the public perception test though...and it would be a pretty rough offseason.
9-3 is legitimately reasonable. 10-2 would be hard to argue against being on very firm ground.
For me, my concern about the coaching staff will actually be rooted in the recruiting results. If Orgeron can continue our run as a top 5 talent endpoint, then at least we know that should Orgeron ultimately fail on the sideline, the next coach will enter with a full cupboard and capable of winning right away.
My best guess is that Orgeron will have Miles like success.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 3:46 pm to tigbit
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I am expecting 8-4 this year and 10+ wins next year
Based on what? LSU's 2018 schedule (on paper at this point) looks much tougher than 2017. Instead of BYU (this year) LSU opens the season in Dallas vs. a Miami program that seems to be on the way up under Richt. The road schedule also looks tougher. Yes, Bama is in Baton Rouge, but LSU will go on the road to Auburn, A&M, Florida and Ark. The two Mississippi schools (probably the most winnable SEC games) are at home. Also, LSU drops Tenn. in exchange for Georgia.
LSU is going to have to navigate that schedule with a new (likely) inexperienced QB; no premier Heisman candidate on offense (Guice) and possibly some big changes on the OL. Plus, you never know what will happen with the OC/DC after this season and we certainly know that Ogeron can't become the de-facto coordinator of either group. He MUST (moreso than the avg HC) have great coordinators if he is to have success. He can't take over the play calling on offense like a Malzahn, McElwain, Mullen or on defense like a Saban, Muschamp, Smart.
5 SEC road games are NEVER easy. But THIS is Ogeron's year to make some noise. Not next season
Posted on 8/11/17 at 3:53 pm to tigbit
Even if we suck this year, there's more excitement and positive momentum around this team than there was in any year under Johnny
Posted on 8/11/17 at 3:57 pm to tigbit
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Usually, judgement is held off until the new coach has a few years to get his recruited players and system in place.
What system? His entire pitch was that he would recruit and let his coordinators have full autonomy.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 4:06 pm to tigbit
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Will 1 full season be enough to know if coaching change was the right move?
No, one full season is probably not going be enough to know if it's the right move, but I think it might be enough to know it's the wrong move.
I expect LSU to go at least 10-2 this year, so it's going to be pretty hard for Orgeron to exceed my expectations. For this to be considered the right move, Orgeron needs to prove he can sustain success over several years. Personally, I'm fired up for the Orgeron era, but just winning this year, where we have a pretty favorable schedule, is not enough data to go off of.
However, if this team goes 8-4 or worse, I'll be pretty critical of the hire, unless there are serious mitigating circumstances.
Mitigating circumstances include:
*Etling going down and none of the backups pan out (similar to 2002 when Mauck got hurt mid-season).
*Major injuries on the O-line (I mean to the point we're playing 3 freshmen or walkons). Competent coaching should be able to make a patchwork offensive line work to some degree
Posted on 8/11/17 at 4:32 pm to tigbit
Posted on 8/11/17 at 4:33 pm to tigbit
Coaching change was needed. Whether or not O was the right hire is a huge question
Posted on 8/11/17 at 4:34 pm to tigbit
It obviously depends on how the season goes.
This is literally just asking a question for the sake of asking one.
This is literally just asking a question for the sake of asking one.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 4:36 pm to tigbit
If he goes 8-4 it would be a big time failure and people will be doubting the hire with conviction. Unless we have tons of injuries which causes the fall it will be a failure in my eyes. He would have to either go 11-1 the next season or 11-2 with a win over Bama to change that perception, if 8-4 happens this season without lots of key injuries.
With injuries you just never know what can happen but he better not have a game where LSU isn't competitive either. If both 8-4 happens and he's not competitive in the loses then the pressure will be sky high. He needs to go 9-3 with a big bowl win so 10-3 or better IMO. For his own good and for LSU.
With injuries you just never know what can happen but he better not have a game where LSU isn't competitive either. If both 8-4 happens and he's not competitive in the loses then the pressure will be sky high. He needs to go 9-3 with a big bowl win so 10-3 or better IMO. For his own good and for LSU.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 5:59 pm to tigbit
The TE coach did far better with the offense than the previous head coach and oc combined. Coaching change was years late.
You might can ask if the right coach was hired, but there is no question to ask as far as changing head coach.
You might can ask if the right coach was hired, but there is no question to ask as far as changing head coach.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 6:20 pm to tigbit
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I am expecting 8-4 this year and 10+ wins next year and do think the coaching change was a good move.
I don't expect us to have better results next year compared to this year. Defense will probably be better but the offense will likely take a step back with a new QB and less weapons on offense (at least that we know about right now)
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