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re: The roster is set how many wins do you predict next season?
Posted on 7/16/16 at 7:05 pm to BayouBengal6884
Posted on 7/16/16 at 7:05 pm to BayouBengal6884
Houston will be fine unless chemistry is toxic again
Gordon and Anderson can shoot and harden can win games by himself
they have a bunch of young players they've been developing especially capela
Dallas every year we say they'll fall and they never do
I'm saying they both are middle seeds Houston as high as three
Gordon and Anderson can shoot and harden can win games by himself
they have a bunch of young players they've been developing especially capela
Dallas every year we say they'll fall and they never do
I'm saying they both are middle seeds Houston as high as three
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Posted on 7/16/16 at 7:48 pm to cgrand
quote:
Gordon and Anderson can shoot and harden can win games by himself
If you play those three at the same time, they better hit all their shots because there will be no defense played.
This post was edited on 7/16/16 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 7/16/16 at 8:23 pm to 504ByrdGang
35-43 depending on how quickly we fall out of playoff contention.
Posted on 7/16/16 at 8:28 pm to cgrand
Agreed
Houston seems to have gotten better and Dallas always surprises
Houston seems to have gotten better and Dallas always surprises
Posted on 7/16/16 at 8:36 pm to 504ByrdGang
38-40. If and when Davis gets hurt again, this team is enormously fricked
This post was edited on 7/16/16 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 7/16/16 at 8:41 pm to 504ByrdGang
Lock for playoffs:
Golden State
San Antonio
Los Angeles Clippers
Semi-lock for playoffs:
Portland
Dallas
Fighting for playoffs seating:
Memphis
Houston
Utah
Minnesota
Oklahoma City
New Orleans
Reasoning for the "semi locks":
Portland - arguably overperformed, they got better and more experienced, but at the same time could take a mild step back barring health. They were extremely fortunate last year, but the case isn't always the same for everyone.
Dallas - always seem like a lock, but their star power is dwindling. They have a top 5 coach so I never rule them out.
Memphis - always gritty, but their big men health is a concern. They could fight for it
Houston - Howard is gone, but Harden is still a very good offensive weapon. They added an offense oriented coach and two solid complementary pieces in EG and Ryno. Their defense is going to be putrid, but their offense will be damn good IMO. Can Harden sustain his offensive prowness throughout a full season again? If so, they can overcome it IMO.
Utah - got better, Hayward is underrated and Johnson showed he has potential to play well still. People forget they barely missed it last year
Minnesota - young, hungry, better coach, and KAT. That's all
OKC - this is purely here because I'm not sure if Westbrook is staying or not. If he's not, nope. If he is, than they're a 45+win lock still.
New Orleans - AD, better defense pieces around them, injury prone guys are gone, and a 2nd year under the same coach. Their offense will be efficient still, but the additions (Moore, Hield, and Hill) better provide the defense and shooting from 3pt range they've been searching for.
Golden State
San Antonio
Los Angeles Clippers
Semi-lock for playoffs:
Portland
Dallas
Fighting for playoffs seating:
Memphis
Houston
Utah
Minnesota
Oklahoma City
New Orleans
Reasoning for the "semi locks":
Portland - arguably overperformed, they got better and more experienced, but at the same time could take a mild step back barring health. They were extremely fortunate last year, but the case isn't always the same for everyone.
Dallas - always seem like a lock, but their star power is dwindling. They have a top 5 coach so I never rule them out.
Memphis - always gritty, but their big men health is a concern. They could fight for it
Houston - Howard is gone, but Harden is still a very good offensive weapon. They added an offense oriented coach and two solid complementary pieces in EG and Ryno. Their defense is going to be putrid, but their offense will be damn good IMO. Can Harden sustain his offensive prowness throughout a full season again? If so, they can overcome it IMO.
Utah - got better, Hayward is underrated and Johnson showed he has potential to play well still. People forget they barely missed it last year
Minnesota - young, hungry, better coach, and KAT. That's all
OKC - this is purely here because I'm not sure if Westbrook is staying or not. If he's not, nope. If he is, than they're a 45+win lock still.
New Orleans - AD, better defense pieces around them, injury prone guys are gone, and a 2nd year under the same coach. Their offense will be efficient still, but the additions (Moore, Hield, and Hill) better provide the defense and shooting from 3pt range they've been searching for.
Posted on 7/16/16 at 8:58 pm to htran90
I don't think Memphis is fighting for a spot
They're a semi lock team based on your tiers
Houston upgraded by getting rid of Howard
They're a semi lock team based on your tiers
Houston upgraded by getting rid of Howard
Posted on 7/16/16 at 9:12 pm to 504ByrdGang
32-35 if AD plays less than 70 games. I agree with LE, that if AD goes down, the Pels are fricked. There's more "fit" than talent on the team compared to last season.
If AD plays 70+ and is featured in the offense (meaning he doesn't go 6 minutes without touching the ball) I can see 42-44 wins.
If AD plays 70+ and is featured in the offense (meaning he doesn't go 6 minutes without touching the ball) I can see 42-44 wins.
Posted on 7/16/16 at 9:34 pm to theducks
Assuming reasonable health.....
Contender:
GS
50 + Wins:
SAS
LAC
MEM
Then a whole lot of :shrug: wouldn't be shocked to see any of these teams in or out of the playoffs...(OKC off the board b/c Westbrook uncertainty, but they would be at the top of this list if Russ stays)
PDX
UTAH
DAL
HOU
NOP
MIN
DEN
I think Portland and Utah look to be in the playoffs. Dallas, as usual, will Jedi mind trick the league and end up right above .500. Houston is a wild card; have talent, but had talent last season and were embarrassing for most of the year.
Wolves and Nuggets are still so young. At least a year away, IMO, but maybe they start to put it together. Both look to be long term players in the West as the sun sets on Spurs, Clippers, and Grizz over the next few years.
Pels can be anywhere from 35-45 wins. Frontcourt depth will be a huge problem, but they have more depth on the wing and in the backcourt than before. And the roster, while not particularly talented, at least makes sense. Basically, like everyone else has said, Davis/Holiday have to be healthy and be awesome for them to get near 45 wins.
Contender:
GS
50 + Wins:
SAS
LAC
MEM
Then a whole lot of :shrug: wouldn't be shocked to see any of these teams in or out of the playoffs...(OKC off the board b/c Westbrook uncertainty, but they would be at the top of this list if Russ stays)
PDX
UTAH
DAL
HOU
NOP
MIN
DEN
I think Portland and Utah look to be in the playoffs. Dallas, as usual, will Jedi mind trick the league and end up right above .500. Houston is a wild card; have talent, but had talent last season and were embarrassing for most of the year.
Wolves and Nuggets are still so young. At least a year away, IMO, but maybe they start to put it together. Both look to be long term players in the West as the sun sets on Spurs, Clippers, and Grizz over the next few years.
Pels can be anywhere from 35-45 wins. Frontcourt depth will be a huge problem, but they have more depth on the wing and in the backcourt than before. And the roster, while not particularly talented, at least makes sense. Basically, like everyone else has said, Davis/Holiday have to be healthy and be awesome for them to get near 45 wins.
Posted on 7/16/16 at 10:19 pm to corndeaux
If the team doesnt win a minimum of 50 games with a healthy Davis and a 100‰ Holiday, we need to move on from Holiday and throw money at an impactful player.
With that said, I think we'll win 50 because Davis/Holiday is a legitimate core in my eyes.
With that said, I think we'll win 50 because Davis/Holiday is a legitimate core in my eyes.
Posted on 7/16/16 at 11:20 pm to 504ByrdGang
35 max. We suck. It is what it is.
Posted on 7/17/16 at 12:38 am to supe12sta12z
50 games
Davis and Holiday play almost every game. Holiday averages 20+ ppg.
Hield wins rookie of the year.
Davis and Holiday play almost every game. Holiday averages 20+ ppg.
Hield wins rookie of the year.
Posted on 7/17/16 at 1:16 am to 504ByrdGang
74
Posted on 7/17/16 at 7:11 am to saintsfan92612
1. Golden State- Couple of surprise losses early, but then they
start rolling right before Christmas on. 66 wins.
NBA Finals Champions.
2. San Antonio- Odd year and we know how they do. Pop paces this
team for the playoffs. 57 wins. Conf. Finals.
3. LA Clippers- Will start hot, turmoil in the middle, and as
always, just seem to can't get it done when it
counts. Roster is sneaky deep, SF spot only
weakness. 52 wins. 1st round loss.
4. Portland- I want to say they take a step back but they seem
to have just enough a lot of nights. Crazy that
their fortunes may fall upon Aminu and whether he
has truly become a factor like he was in the
playoffs. 48 wins. Conf. semifinals.
5. Dallas- This spot all depends, not on Barnes, but on the
health of Williams, Matthews, and especially.
Bogut. If one of them misses more than 30 games,
No playoffs. 46 wins. 1st round loss.
6. Minnesota- I think this is a team that makes a leap with
most of the West transitioning. They have
pieces and Thibs is going to give this team an
identity. Towns, Wiggins, Dunn (who I wanted in
this draft) is a baby BIG 3 the making. 45 wins.
Conf. semifinals.
7. New Orleans- Get back into the playoffs with Top 12-15 ranking
in offense and defense. Can climb to 5 seed if
they stay healthy and gel early. Mid-season trade
for a 2nd star may be the diff. in 1st round
playoff win. 45 wins. 1st round loss.
8. Utah- Suprisingly solid and deep roster. Gobert will
be a Top 5 defensive player of the year. Hayward
remains steady and Dante Exum makes people
remember that he is a 'rookie" of the Year
candidate. Joe Johnson gives them some clutch
game winners down the stretch to get them
in. 44 wins. 1st round loss.
9. Memphis- Finally take a full step backwards. Ownership
realizes the mistake they made signing Conley
and Parsons to max contracts. Randolph.
contemplates retirement from here on out. 43 wins
10 Houston- All offense, no defense and will lose many games
by less than 3 in the 100's because of the
inability to get a last minute stop. But really I
see Gordon or Harden getting injured and waving
white flag by March. 42 wins.
11 Oklahoma City- The unknown surrounding Westbrook's free.
agency will weigh this team down. If they.
struggle out the gate, he could be gone before
Christmas. If they do stay in the hunt, falter
inevitable because Westbrook tires out down the
stretch from going too hard, for too long. 38
or less wins.
12. Denver- Year 2 of the rebuild. Will be frustrating to
watch, at times, but will make strides. Probably
a major player at the trade deadline. Faried
gets traded for a 1st round pick from a
contender. Murray comes on at the end of the
season.
13. Phoenix- 1st year of a rebuild. Watch for a Mid-season
trade of Tyson Chandler to a contender for
draft assests. 31 wins.
14. LA Lakers- Year 2 of a rebuild. Growing pains early, but
fun to watch late. Too bad their fans won't care
because their eyes will be on the Westbrook
watch. 29 wins. Core starting to take shape.
Ingram will be a star. Think Stacey Augmon meets
a poor man's Durant. He will be good, but I
think he may be auditioning for Oklahoma City.
Gonna have to lose him to get Westbrook or
trade Russell, Randle and a 1st rounder. Price
may too steep for the Lakers and might just wait
for Westbrook's 2017 FA if he gives signs he will
sign with them anyways after the season. Boston
might have something to say about that
beforehand.
15. Sacramento- Cousins will punch Vlade by December and be
traded by the deadline. Vlade gets fired as GM
at years end. Same ole Kings. Just can't get
right. Mid-season fire sale. 25 wins.
So, the Pelicans should make it and I expect them to. Anything less and Gentry can go. I like what Demps/Ferry have done although if this team doesn't make the playoffs Dell is gone and it's a matter of whether they give the spot to Ferry or let him go to, so as not to make it seem that was the plan all along.
I have high hopes for this team because of the depth, fit of new players and the ability to absorb injuries and still have a chance to win games. I'm thinking some team who spent a lot of money this summer will want a reset and trade for Tyreke's expiring to try to create more cap space for next year's free agent class. Just hope it's a team that we can get a star player in return, he sees the potential of this team after a hard fought playoff series and resigns to show another star we are ready. '16 GO PELS!!!
Finally, a team with assets that may be ready to go places. I'm ready for Year 1 of the reset. Couldn't have had a better off season other than getting rid of Asik and Tyreke, and getting a 2nd star now. Still looking for that Vucevic trade, maybe at the deadline when it becomes apparent he is disgruntled. Get him, and this might be a Top 3 seeded team. Make it happen Dell. One more Orlando fleece and it's on. One of the Philly big men wouldn't be a bad option neither.
start rolling right before Christmas on. 66 wins.
NBA Finals Champions.
2. San Antonio- Odd year and we know how they do. Pop paces this
team for the playoffs. 57 wins. Conf. Finals.
3. LA Clippers- Will start hot, turmoil in the middle, and as
always, just seem to can't get it done when it
counts. Roster is sneaky deep, SF spot only
weakness. 52 wins. 1st round loss.
4. Portland- I want to say they take a step back but they seem
to have just enough a lot of nights. Crazy that
their fortunes may fall upon Aminu and whether he
has truly become a factor like he was in the
playoffs. 48 wins. Conf. semifinals.
5. Dallas- This spot all depends, not on Barnes, but on the
health of Williams, Matthews, and especially.
Bogut. If one of them misses more than 30 games,
No playoffs. 46 wins. 1st round loss.
6. Minnesota- I think this is a team that makes a leap with
most of the West transitioning. They have
pieces and Thibs is going to give this team an
identity. Towns, Wiggins, Dunn (who I wanted in
this draft) is a baby BIG 3 the making. 45 wins.
Conf. semifinals.
7. New Orleans- Get back into the playoffs with Top 12-15 ranking
in offense and defense. Can climb to 5 seed if
they stay healthy and gel early. Mid-season trade
for a 2nd star may be the diff. in 1st round
playoff win. 45 wins. 1st round loss.
8. Utah- Suprisingly solid and deep roster. Gobert will
be a Top 5 defensive player of the year. Hayward
remains steady and Dante Exum makes people
remember that he is a 'rookie" of the Year
candidate. Joe Johnson gives them some clutch
game winners down the stretch to get them
in. 44 wins. 1st round loss.
9. Memphis- Finally take a full step backwards. Ownership
realizes the mistake they made signing Conley
and Parsons to max contracts. Randolph.
contemplates retirement from here on out. 43 wins
10 Houston- All offense, no defense and will lose many games
by less than 3 in the 100's because of the
inability to get a last minute stop. But really I
see Gordon or Harden getting injured and waving
white flag by March. 42 wins.
11 Oklahoma City- The unknown surrounding Westbrook's free.
agency will weigh this team down. If they.
struggle out the gate, he could be gone before
Christmas. If they do stay in the hunt, falter
inevitable because Westbrook tires out down the
stretch from going too hard, for too long. 38
or less wins.
12. Denver- Year 2 of the rebuild. Will be frustrating to
watch, at times, but will make strides. Probably
a major player at the trade deadline. Faried
gets traded for a 1st round pick from a
contender. Murray comes on at the end of the
season.
13. Phoenix- 1st year of a rebuild. Watch for a Mid-season
trade of Tyson Chandler to a contender for
draft assests. 31 wins.
14. LA Lakers- Year 2 of a rebuild. Growing pains early, but
fun to watch late. Too bad their fans won't care
because their eyes will be on the Westbrook
watch. 29 wins. Core starting to take shape.
Ingram will be a star. Think Stacey Augmon meets
a poor man's Durant. He will be good, but I
think he may be auditioning for Oklahoma City.
Gonna have to lose him to get Westbrook or
trade Russell, Randle and a 1st rounder. Price
may too steep for the Lakers and might just wait
for Westbrook's 2017 FA if he gives signs he will
sign with them anyways after the season. Boston
might have something to say about that
beforehand.
15. Sacramento- Cousins will punch Vlade by December and be
traded by the deadline. Vlade gets fired as GM
at years end. Same ole Kings. Just can't get
right. Mid-season fire sale. 25 wins.
So, the Pelicans should make it and I expect them to. Anything less and Gentry can go. I like what Demps/Ferry have done although if this team doesn't make the playoffs Dell is gone and it's a matter of whether they give the spot to Ferry or let him go to, so as not to make it seem that was the plan all along.
I have high hopes for this team because of the depth, fit of new players and the ability to absorb injuries and still have a chance to win games. I'm thinking some team who spent a lot of money this summer will want a reset and trade for Tyreke's expiring to try to create more cap space for next year's free agent class. Just hope it's a team that we can get a star player in return, he sees the potential of this team after a hard fought playoff series and resigns to show another star we are ready. '16 GO PELS!!!
Finally, a team with assets that may be ready to go places. I'm ready for Year 1 of the reset. Couldn't have had a better off season other than getting rid of Asik and Tyreke, and getting a 2nd star now. Still looking for that Vucevic trade, maybe at the deadline when it becomes apparent he is disgruntled. Get him, and this might be a Top 3 seeded team. Make it happen Dell. One more Orlando fleece and it's on. One of the Philly big men wouldn't be a bad option neither.
This post was edited on 7/17/16 at 9:35 am
Posted on 7/17/16 at 7:55 am to irvchilichill1
42 wins would be a nice season.
I'll say 38 is my prediction. if they are healthy and can't win 38, that would be disappointing and I'd rather if they won 28, get a top 6 pick again, and a new coach, if that was the case.
I'll say 38 is my prediction. if they are healthy and can't win 38, that would be disappointing and I'd rather if they won 28, get a top 6 pick again, and a new coach, if that was the case.
Posted on 7/17/16 at 10:52 am to Lester Earl
Agreed. When AD misses games they will be auto-losses.
Posted on 7/17/16 at 1:06 pm to touchdownjeebus
quote:
35 max. We suck. It is what it is.
Im around 35-38 wins.
I don't think "we suck", I just think as far as top to bottom talent from a roster standpoint, we are probably bottom 3 in the WC. Could argue we are the worst.
This team will go as far as AD and Jrue's health takes them, as well as the new pieces fitting into the offensive scheme.
Posted on 7/17/16 at 4:08 pm to GynoSandberg
38-45 wins
They'll be decent. Depends on health of course.
They'll be decent. Depends on health of course.
Posted on 7/17/16 at 5:20 pm to CocoLoco
I can't predict injuries, so I don't account for them. Davis is a superstar and should carry us past .500. I like the supporting cast way more than in the past. We basically replaced two guys with 4 (while doing it way cheaper) Hield/Moore for Gordon and Hill/Jones for Anderson, plus upgraded the back up PG with Galloway. I still wish we were more athletic and quicker, but we made solid moves.
I'm thinking 50 wins and a top 4 seed. The West is wide open after the Warriors. We should be right in the thick of it..
I'm thinking 50 wins and a top 4 seed. The West is wide open after the Warriors. We should be right in the thick of it..
Posted on 7/17/16 at 5:46 pm to brmark70816
It seems like everyone was smart enough in this thread to recognize that there are numerous unknowns at play here that will create a wide variance, depending on how they play out. I would like people to rank these variables, in order of importance. I would say:
1. AD's health
2. Jrue's health
3. Asik's performance
4. Health of other role players
5. What, if anything, they get from Tyreke (in trade and/or in performance)
6. Solomon Hill's performance
7. Buddy Hield's performance
8. Q-Pon's performance
9. Gentry's rotations and play calling at the end of games
10. Schedule (back to backs, when we get other similar teams, etc.)
1. AD's health
2. Jrue's health
3. Asik's performance
4. Health of other role players
5. What, if anything, they get from Tyreke (in trade and/or in performance)
6. Solomon Hill's performance
7. Buddy Hield's performance
8. Q-Pon's performance
9. Gentry's rotations and play calling at the end of games
10. Schedule (back to backs, when we get other similar teams, etc.)
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