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Is child care/daycare innately expensive? What can society do to reduce *cost* of it?

Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:15 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:15 pm
I was reading a long article today about NYC’s plan to essentially cover 100% of the costs for families with young children. Long story short: it would be a massive undertaking that would require either steep budget cuts in other areas of govt, or hefty tax increases. The reason being: daycare is so expensive in America, that you can’t “solve” it by shifting who pays the sticker price. Whether the govt pays or the parents pay, the sticker prices stay exorbitant.

I have been trying to think of policy ways to actually reduce the *cost* of daycare (cost and price are different things).

Is there anything that can be done to actually reduce costs of the service? Typically, costs go down in an economy when supply increases. Supply increases can stem from productivity gains or from literally an increase in the number of people providing a service.


Daycare is weird though. Daycare workers are *not* highly paid, and owners of daycares don’t really make that much money, when you factor in ratio laws. If some woman at her house provides daycare for 8 kids, it is possible for the costs paid by each parent to be insanely high, but the income of the daycare provider to not be much more than typical middle class.


One way I guess is to increase the allowed ratio of child:daycare worker.


Idk, what does the OT think? Is daycare just one of those things that, due to the Econ forces, just can’t be cheap?
Posted by Lurk
The Parish
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:20 pm to
Like with most issues, its insurance companies spiking liability insurance premiums
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
15960 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:21 pm to
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What can society do to reduce *cost* of it?


Homeschool
Posted by ShoeBang
Member since May 2012
21816 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:21 pm to
Can you imagine the amount of insurance you have to carry to run a daycare in the current society? It has to be astronomical.

When you add that plus the rising costs of real estate, I'd imagine that's where most of the money goes on top of paying employees. Still haven't gotten to the actual caring for children part.
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
129297 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:21 pm to
Mom needs to stay home and take care of kids, clean house, cook, etc

Cheaper than child care, cleaning service and going out to eat/picking up dinner 3-4 nights a week

This post was edited on 12/11/25 at 3:22 pm
Posted by Jebadeb
Member since Oct 2017
5678 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:23 pm to
Daycare is my second highest expense at $800/mo. The only bill I have that's higher is my mortgage.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
39679 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:23 pm to
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Like with most issues, its insurance companies spiking liability insurance premiums


Not disagreeing, but there is also an underlying reason for this as well, beyond the insurance companies just being bad.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
13392 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:24 pm to
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just can’t be cheap?

It was on military bases in the 80s.

Ratios are one answer, but seeing the "allergy" list at my kid's preschool was enlightening as to how high the expectations parents have are (we were in the rich burbs, not the inner city.) Everybody is "allergic" to anything their precious doesn't prefer (one kid on the list was supposedly allergic to pineapple, for instance.) With maybe 150 kids in the school, the allergy list in the cafeteria was multiple pages with more than 10% of the school on it.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
73171 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:25 pm to
people who can’t afford children not having children would help
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
21987 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:26 pm to
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Idk, what does the OT think? Is daycare just one of those things that, due to the Econ forces, just can’t be cheap?


Your options are either:

1. Increase taxes to have the government subsidize it, Scandinavian style

2. Deregulate so prices are lower and parents can decide on a free market price (do you want to pay less for a higher kid:worker ratio, or more for a lower ratio, uninsured day care, etc.?)
Posted by tigergirl10
Member since Jul 2019
10677 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:27 pm to
quote:

Mom needs to stay home and take care of kids, clean house, cook, etc
Why can’t dads?
Posted by BabyTac
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2008
15785 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:27 pm to
Have a traditional family where parents play roles and take care of your own kids.

Stop living outside your means so you don’t need dual incomes. Live in an affordable location.
Posted by PurpleDragon
Member since Mar 2024
211 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:30 pm to
And this is because of lawyers, but.....

Because just about everyone in congress is a lawyer, a law will never be passed to rein them in. Therefore, prices go up.
Posted by Stat M Repairman
Member since Jun 2023
1106 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:31 pm to
Girl Boss subsidy program.

Don't want to raise their own kids, but DO wan't to nag you at work.
Posted by HoustonChick86
Catalina Wine Mixer
Member since Dec 2009
59166 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:31 pm to
quote:

Ratios are one answer, but seeing the "allergy" list at my kid's preschool was enlightening as to how high the expectations parents have are (we were in the rich burbs, not the inner city.) Everybody is "allergic" to anything their precious doesn't prefer (one kid on the list was supposedly allergic to pineapple, for instance.) With maybe 150 kids in the school, the allergy list in the cafeteria was multiple pages with more than 10% of the school on it.

Having your child's allergy needs met isn't setting too high of expectations. My son is allergic to dairy, he got sick from the daycare feeding him Cheetos and ignoring our request not to.

And for the pineapple thing, that could be legit. I'm randomly allergic to watermelon, and not any other foods.

I think the way to get costs down is have more options. The waitlist is insane at daycares, so they can basically charge whatever because there is always a list a mile long of people wanting to get in.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
136025 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:33 pm to
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NYC’s plan to essentially cover 100% of the costs for families with young children.

Not one tax dollars should be spent.
Posted by WigSplitta22
The Bottom
Member since Apr 2014
2299 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:33 pm to
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and owners of daycares don’t really make that much money



I don't know where you pulled this from but it couldn't be more false. Just do the numbers. The one my kids go to charge from 200-250 per head per week and take schoolers for before and after care which is $60 for aftercare and $100 for both. They have about 150-200 kids and about 100 before and after care schoolers. At the low end they are bringing in $36k/week x 52 = 1.87 million/year in revenue and that doesn't count all the other shite they charge for that they make money on. They pay low wages to the teachers and helpers but they give them free childcare
This post was edited on 12/11/25 at 3:43 pm
Posted by Dadren
Jawja
Member since Dec 2023
3096 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:34 pm to
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Daycare is weird though. Daycare workers are *not* highly paid, and owners of daycares don’t really make that much money, when you factor in ratio laws. If some woman at her house provides daycare for 8 kids, it is possible for the costs paid by each parent to be insanely high, but the income of the daycare provider to not be much more than typical middle class.

I think you’ve nailed the heart of the problem.

If a wife was a SAHM and you wanted to replace her with a woman who would provide the same level of care (ie, think about your kids all the time like most SAHM do) and pay her appropriately to do this 24/7, it would not make any sense for the majority of households.

Childcare is just a resource-intensive endeavor. Even “cheaper ones” are budget busters for the average family. We just didn’t realize it until outsourcing that work became the norm.

In terms of solutions, idk man. Gov involvement is obviously not going to help on the cost side, as you said we’re just shifting costs around. You can’t realistically un-ring the “two income household” bell, so I’ve got nothing.

Good thread about a tough problem.
Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
9560 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:35 pm to
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quote:Mom needs to stay home and take care of kids, clean house, cook, etc

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Why can’t dads?


Because its the man’s job to protect and provide, and when roles are reversed and the man plays mom and the wife makes more money, she loses respect for him and leaves him.

Look up the stats for divorce rates when the wife is the higher earner. Its instructive.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
13392 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:35 pm to
Dads surely need to contribute, and should lead their families to start the chore schedule for both parents, etc. Women tend to love spinning in chaos, which many men hate, but do nothing to prevent.

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Mom needs to stay home and take care of kids, clean house, cook, etc

Most moms don't consider "taking care of kids" teaching them anything. The number of kids with stay at home moms who show up to kindergarten never having used scissors is amazing.

Many women are notoriously bad at planning to optimize cooking, for instance. "What's for dinner tonight," should never be a question. Put up a calendar of meals for the week, don't plan recipes with more than 10 ingredients, etc. Mom does Meatloaf Monday, whereas dad does Taco Tuesday. Wednesday is something in the slow cooker. Thursday is pasta night that dad can do in 20m after work. This ain't hard. Most of the shite that parents feed their kids these days isn't requiring Julia Child levels of kitchen involvement, either.
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