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Fed Chair Says U.S. May Be Drastically Overstating Jobs Numbers

Posted on 12/11/25 at 6:40 am
Posted by ragincajun03
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Posted on 12/11/25 at 6:40 am
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Fed Chair Jerome Powell pointed on Wednesday to a job-market risk that economists have been worried about for months: Official statistics could be drastically overstating recent hiring.

Powell said that Fed staffers believe that federal data could be overestimating job creation by up to 60,000 jobs a month. Given that figures published so far show that the economy has added about 40,000 jobs a month since April, the real number could be something more like a loss of 20,000 jobs a month, Powell said.


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Published data already show the labor market has slowed significantly this year, down from rapid hiring after the Covid-19 pandemic. This slower pace means big data revisions can more easily reveal the economy is shedding jobs, not adding them.

“It’s a complicated, unusual, and difficult situation, where the labor market is also under pressure, where job creation may actually be negative,” Powell said.

That concern provided some of the backing for the Fed’s decision to cut interest rates at a third straight meeting, Powell said, despite a labor market that still looks healthy on the surface, with unemployment at a relatively modest 4.4% in September and a net gain of 119,000 jobs that month. Next week, the Labor Department will report fresh jobs numbers for October and November, as well as possible revisions for previous months.

Powell’s concern involves a quandary that the Labor Department faces when measuring hiring: how to judge the number of jobs added or destroyed when new businesses are created or close down. Those jobs can’t be surveyed directly because it is difficult for the government to reach out to brand-new companies or companies no longer in business.

Instead, Labor’s data arm, the Bureau of Labor Statistics, must use a statistical model to make a guess. In the past few years, that technique, called the birth-death model—referring to the births and deaths of businesses—has contributed to estimates that have overstated job creation by hundreds of thousands of jobs a year, forcing significant downward revisions later.


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The Labor Department’s struggles have spilled into politics, prompting President Trump to blame data problems on what he called efforts to manipulate figures for political ends. He fired the BLS’s commissioner, Erika McEntarfer, after sharp revisions in August ate into springtime jobs growth, leaving the agency in the hands of a nonpartisan career official who is serving as its acting leader.


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Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
27521 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 6:43 am to
That's why Trump fired the independent analysts that compiled the data. This way we only get the numbers Trump wishes existed, and even those numbers are bad.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
73172 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 6:45 am to
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That's why Trump fired the independent analysts that compiled the data. This way we only get the numbers Trump wishes existed, and even those numbers are bad.


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by TBoy


Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
24658 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 6:45 am to
What else did he say?
This post was edited on 12/11/25 at 6:46 am
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
79172 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 6:45 am to
He's juuuuuuuust a little late to the party.
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
12733 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 6:46 am to
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That's why Trump fired the independent analysts that compiled the data


LOL. So this kind of thing was never a problem in the Biden administration, right? At this point, let’s just disband whatever government department is doing this and find another way.
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
24658 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 6:48 am to
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LOL. So this kind of thing was never a problem in the Biden administration, right? At this point, let’s just disband whatever government department is doing this and find another way.


That is exactly right. The Fed chair also said this has been going on forever and is corrected twice a year. That is what led to that huge revision under Biden. Tboy is a retard.
Posted by G2160
houston
Member since May 2013
2081 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 6:50 am to
Of course trump is gaming the numbers. They all are.

Didn’t they revise biden’s numbers down in 11 of his last 12 months in office?
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170613 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 6:51 am to
The job numbers are garbage in 2025

I don't think it's very productive to get into the finger pointing and partisan politics of it but it's kinda silly to pretend that everything is awesome when it isn't
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
24658 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 6:57 am to
Were they good in 2024?
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
29248 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 7:01 am to
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Didn’t they revise biden’s numbers down in 11 of his last 12 months in office?


Job numbers go through preliminary, secondary, and final estimates, and most of the time they are revised downwards. I'm trying to locate the data, but it's something like 60-80% of the reports are revised downwards.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27454 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 7:04 am to
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Were they good in 2024?


They seemed to be in the initial reports, but as was pointed out here already, they got revised down. So looking at the revised numbers, 2024 may have been pointing towards an incoming recession.

The past few decades have shown a recession every 8-10 years, so it may be about time in the cycle. Last non-government forced recession was 2015/2016 towards the end of Obama’s second term. Obviously 2020 included a recession, but that came about because governments worldwide shut down commerce so we could “flatten the curve in only two weeks”.

Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
119895 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 7:05 am to
Christmas spending is up though!
Posted by Gifman
Member since Jan 2021
17392 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 7:06 am to
Where was Powell the entire Biden admin? Asleep?
Posted by Motownsix
Boise
Member since Oct 2022
3122 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 7:07 am to
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That's why Trump fired the independent analysts that compiled the data. This way we only get the numbers Trump wishes existed, and even those numbers are bad.


Trump doesn’t let them release any economic data anymore. I’m sure if it was good he wouldn’t stop exaggerating how great it was.
Posted by Defenseiskey
Houston, TX
Member since Nov 2010
1712 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 7:12 am to
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That's why Trump fired the independent analysts that compiled the data. This way we only get the numbers Trump wishes existed, and even those numbers are bad.


This sad part is the lady in charge of the whole thing was a Trump loyalist, she was just doing her job description.
This post was edited on 12/11/25 at 7:24 am
Posted by Motownsix
Boise
Member since Oct 2022
3122 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 7:16 am to
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LOL. So this kind of thing was never a problem in the Biden administration, right? At this point, let’s just disband whatever government department is doing this and find another way


Trump already fired and then silenced the BLS. I worked with the BLS for years and while data collection and revisions seem complicated to people unfamiliar with the process they always did great work.
If there’s anything the government always did well it was data collection. Trump convinced idiots to call anything they don’t like fake.
Posted by countrytiger60
Larose
Member since Sep 2018
4227 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 7:19 am to
well we all know that Biden inflated the numbers!
Posted by Motownsix
Boise
Member since Oct 2022
3122 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 7:19 am to
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Were they good in 2024?


They were excellent. If you understand the process you understand why they get released and then revised. The idea that data geeks were trying to manipulate the process for partisan politics was a garbage claim.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
136028 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 7:21 am to
Don't they always? Then remove 80% as they "revise down"?
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