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new pizza oven…please help me with the dough
Posted on 12/1/25 at 8:26 am
Posted on 12/1/25 at 8:26 am
I am not a baker in any way. I’ve never made a loaf of bread or dinner rolls or anything of the sort. And it’s clear I cannot currently make pizza dough
we made pizzas last night, I made two balls each of regular dough and gluten free (red mill 1:1). The standard dough balls never rose, in fact they are still in a bowl looking sad. The GF balls actually did rise a bit…we fired two small pies with them and it came out pretty good, like tavern pie crust. The dough was hard to work with though, almost like cookie dough
anyway, please help if you have a simple, foolproof recipe either for flour or GF dough. The oven is a Current electric it will handle a 12” pie, gets to 850 deg
thanks!!
we made pizzas last night, I made two balls each of regular dough and gluten free (red mill 1:1). The standard dough balls never rose, in fact they are still in a bowl looking sad. The GF balls actually did rise a bit…we fired two small pies with them and it came out pretty good, like tavern pie crust. The dough was hard to work with though, almost like cookie dough
anyway, please help if you have a simple, foolproof recipe either for flour or GF dough. The oven is a Current electric it will handle a 12” pie, gets to 850 deg
thanks!!
This post was edited on 12/1/25 at 8:33 am
Posted on 12/1/25 at 8:31 am to cgrand
i did make a killer pizza sauce though…canned tomatoes (tomatoes only) in the blender with S/P, dried herbs, garlic and a bit of tomato paste. Very good on the pie
Posted on 12/1/25 at 9:22 am to cgrand
I feel your pain. I struggled to get dough to shape, watched a zillion videos, etc.
The recipe I use most is Outdoor Pizza Oven Pizza Dough: By Andrew Janjigian. LINK
No matter the recipe, it needs to sit out a couple hours or more before working. Otherwise, (for me) it is too rubbery and bounces back. (If it does, cover it and walk away for 10-15 minutes, and it sort of resets.)
Even letting it rest a couple hours or more on the day of the cook doesn't always do the trick. Then I learned that the temperature of the dough has a lot to do with its work-ability.
The recipe I linked says the dough should reach at least 60°F before stretching and baking. Chris Kimball says he figured out that getting it to 74 or more is way better, and he is right. I have put the dough balls covered on a pan in the oven (off) with the oven light on to create just enough heat to get the dough to gently rise to 74 (check with Thermapen).
It made a night and day difference in the ability to shape the dough. You could also warm the balls to 74+ by putting them in a bowl over another bowl of warm water.
Good luck!
The recipe I use most is Outdoor Pizza Oven Pizza Dough: By Andrew Janjigian. LINK
No matter the recipe, it needs to sit out a couple hours or more before working. Otherwise, (for me) it is too rubbery and bounces back. (If it does, cover it and walk away for 10-15 minutes, and it sort of resets.)
Even letting it rest a couple hours or more on the day of the cook doesn't always do the trick. Then I learned that the temperature of the dough has a lot to do with its work-ability.
The recipe I linked says the dough should reach at least 60°F before stretching and baking. Chris Kimball says he figured out that getting it to 74 or more is way better, and he is right. I have put the dough balls covered on a pan in the oven (off) with the oven light on to create just enough heat to get the dough to gently rise to 74 (check with Thermapen).
It made a night and day difference in the ability to shape the dough. You could also warm the balls to 74+ by putting them in a bowl over another bowl of warm water.
Good luck!
Posted on 12/1/25 at 9:45 am to cgrand
the jim lahey no knead dough is good. the dough always kicked my arse with pizza though.
Posted on 12/1/25 at 10:14 am to cgrand
I've been using this recipe (from Flour Water Salt Yeast) for a while now. It makes a fantastic pizza dough.
I cook mine on my Kamado Joe. If using a stone, remember to preheat the stone. I just leave the stone on while i'm getting everthing up to temp.
I cook mine on my Kamado Joe. If using a stone, remember to preheat the stone. I just leave the stone on while i'm getting everthing up to temp.
This post was edited on 12/1/25 at 10:15 am
Posted on 12/1/25 at 10:29 am to cgrand
I have posted this before. This is the recipe that came with my stand mixer. Been using it for a couple of decades with no problems:
Add one cup of warm water to the mixing bowl (105-120 degrees). Add two and a quarter teaspoons of yeast.
After 30 seconds or so, add two cups of flour (I use whole wheat) and a tablespoon of olive oil. Mix it for a minute of so with the dough hook and add a teaspoon of salt during the process.
Slowly add additional flour, a couple of tablespoons at a time while the dough is mixing until you get a ball that holds together and cleans the sides of the mixing bowl.
Get another bowl, put some olive oil in the bottom and dip your fingers in the oil to work the dough free of the hook and mixing bowl and into the new bowl. Turn the dough ball a couple of times in the olive oil, cover it, and give it an hour to rise.
After that you are good to go.
Add one cup of warm water to the mixing bowl (105-120 degrees). Add two and a quarter teaspoons of yeast.
After 30 seconds or so, add two cups of flour (I use whole wheat) and a tablespoon of olive oil. Mix it for a minute of so with the dough hook and add a teaspoon of salt during the process.
Slowly add additional flour, a couple of tablespoons at a time while the dough is mixing until you get a ball that holds together and cleans the sides of the mixing bowl.
Get another bowl, put some olive oil in the bottom and dip your fingers in the oil to work the dough free of the hook and mixing bowl and into the new bowl. Turn the dough ball a couple of times in the olive oil, cover it, and give it an hour to rise.
After that you are good to go.
Posted on 12/1/25 at 10:39 am to cgrand
First question is what type of pizza do you want? Neapolitan, Detroit, New York, tavern, etc… they all have a different technique. Highly recommend getting a copy of The Elements of Pizza by Ken Forkish.
Posted on 12/1/25 at 11:36 am to BlackenedOut
Neapolitan is what we prefer…the GF dough probably won’t work for that though. Like I said it did make a decent tavern crust and also might be good for Detroit style.
thanks for the advice all
thanks for the advice all
Posted on 12/1/25 at 4:11 pm to cgrand
Do you have instagram? Search Neapolitan dough if so. I’ve had more success poaching recipes from the home pizza chefs on instagram than any book or online recipe. They’re constantly tweaking and testing and you can see the techniques that yields the final product
Posted on 12/1/25 at 5:11 pm to cgrand
Lahey’s no knead dough is great if you have a few days before it’s needed. There is a learning curve involved with working/shaping the high hydration doughs but they taste great.
I recently started playing around with slightly lower hydration (68%) and using a combination of levain/small amount of instant yeast.
The lower hydration doughs are much easier to work.
I recently started playing around with slightly lower hydration (68%) and using a combination of levain/small amount of instant yeast.
The lower hydration doughs are much easier to work.
Posted on 12/1/25 at 7:47 pm to cgrand
Mastering Pizza by Marc Vetri
The Elements of Pizza by by Ken Forkish
The Pizza Bible by Tony Gemignani
Todd English's Rustic Pizza
These are the gold standard cookbooks for pizza chefs.
Everything you need to know to make very high quality pizza is in these 4 books.
Give me a call and I'll show you the super secret website where you can download any cookbook imaginable in either PDF or EPUB format.
Completely free.
The Elements of Pizza by by Ken Forkish
The Pizza Bible by Tony Gemignani
Todd English's Rustic Pizza
These are the gold standard cookbooks for pizza chefs.
Everything you need to know to make very high quality pizza is in these 4 books.
Give me a call and I'll show you the super secret website where you can download any cookbook imaginable in either PDF or EPUB format.
Completely free.
This post was edited on 12/1/25 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 12/1/25 at 11:45 pm to cgrand
So much available online.
When I first started about 4 years ago I somehow found Vito Iacopelli and learned Neapolitan style first. I have since learned several styles and love making pizza. Hope you have as good of time going through the process as I did. There will be moments of frustration but stay with it and you will be making really good pizza of your own. Also, learn to make your own sauce as well. Good luck
When I first started about 4 years ago I somehow found Vito Iacopelli and learned Neapolitan style first. I have since learned several styles and love making pizza. Hope you have as good of time going through the process as I did. There will be moments of frustration but stay with it and you will be making really good pizza of your own. Also, learn to make your own sauce as well. Good luck
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:49 pm to cgrand
Home made is always better but in a pinch the fresh dough from Whole Foods is great.
Posted on 12/2/25 at 9:28 pm to uptowntiger84
When I had my GMG smoker with the pizza oven attachment we always used to just buy the Trader Joe's premade dough and make the pizzas from that. It's a great option if you're struggling with that component.
Posted on 12/3/25 at 10:29 am to Disco Ball
quote:
Give me a call and I'll show you the super secret website where you can download any cookbook imaginable in either PDF or EPUB format. Completely free.
I don’t have your #, but I need this
Posted on 12/3/25 at 11:55 am to cgrand
I've used the following recipe many times and it's enough dough to make 2 pizzas about 15 inches round.
1 Package yeast
1 tsp. honey
1 cup warm water
3 cups all purpose flour
1 tsp. salt
1 tsp. olive oil
Dissolve the yeast and honey in 1/2 cup warm water and let it start working for a few minutes.
In a large bowl, combine flour, salt, oil, yeast mixture and remaining water.
Mix ingredients until a ball forms then knead for 2-3 minutes until it is smooth and firm.
Cover and let rise for 2 hours in a warm place.
Split the dough in half to make 2 pizza crusts. I use a rolling pin to roll the dough into the size I want with the dough on a floured surface so it doesn't stick.
I use a wooden peel lightly dusted with corn meal to place the dough on to finish making the pizza. When done, it goes in a 450 degree oven using the peel to slide the pizza on to a preheated pizza stone to bake. Then it's up to you how long to bake it to your desired finish.
Edited to add this: Last night I told the wife I would make pizza for dinner tonight and have my dough ready to put together at 4 p.m.
The good thing is, you can refrigerate the dough to use later. Just wrap it in Saran wrap to keep it from drying out and remove it from the fridge to warm up a bit before rolling it out.
1 Package yeast
1 tsp. honey
1 cup warm water
3 cups all purpose flour
1 tsp. salt
1 tsp. olive oil
Dissolve the yeast and honey in 1/2 cup warm water and let it start working for a few minutes.
In a large bowl, combine flour, salt, oil, yeast mixture and remaining water.
Mix ingredients until a ball forms then knead for 2-3 minutes until it is smooth and firm.
Cover and let rise for 2 hours in a warm place.
Split the dough in half to make 2 pizza crusts. I use a rolling pin to roll the dough into the size I want with the dough on a floured surface so it doesn't stick.
I use a wooden peel lightly dusted with corn meal to place the dough on to finish making the pizza. When done, it goes in a 450 degree oven using the peel to slide the pizza on to a preheated pizza stone to bake. Then it's up to you how long to bake it to your desired finish.
Edited to add this: Last night I told the wife I would make pizza for dinner tonight and have my dough ready to put together at 4 p.m.
The good thing is, you can refrigerate the dough to use later. Just wrap it in Saran wrap to keep it from drying out and remove it from the fridge to warm up a bit before rolling it out.
This post was edited on 12/3/25 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 12/3/25 at 2:36 pm to cgrand
Makes 2 pizzas
2.5 cups of all purpose flour
2 tsp garlic salt
1 cup plus 1 tbs warm water (100F)
1tbs olive oil
1 tsp yeast
1 tsp sugar
Mix dough thoroughly then cut in half, let rise for 30 minutes. Knead dough into a pizza crust and cover with towel for 30 more minutes. Place onto stone or pan and add toppings of choice then bake in a hot oven until crust is browned. Remove and allow to sit 5 minutes before slicing. Enjoy!
2.5 cups of all purpose flour
2 tsp garlic salt
1 cup plus 1 tbs warm water (100F)
1tbs olive oil
1 tsp yeast
1 tsp sugar
Mix dough thoroughly then cut in half, let rise for 30 minutes. Knead dough into a pizza crust and cover with towel for 30 more minutes. Place onto stone or pan and add toppings of choice then bake in a hot oven until crust is browned. Remove and allow to sit 5 minutes before slicing. Enjoy!
Posted on 12/3/25 at 5:27 pm to Koolazzkat
thanks again everyone
gonna give this a few more tries before I go to Trader Joe’s
gonna give this a few more tries before I go to Trader Joe’s
Posted on 12/3/25 at 5:53 pm to cgrand
You can definitely do it.
I'd suggest focusing on either GF or standard dough. Maybe start with GF since that's important to you.
Pizzamaking.com is another really good resource but it can be difficult to sift through, but there's serious pizzaiolos on there.
I'd suggest focusing on either GF or standard dough. Maybe start with GF since that's important to you.
Pizzamaking.com is another really good resource but it can be difficult to sift through, but there's serious pizzaiolos on there.
This post was edited on 12/3/25 at 5:56 pm
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