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Americans owe more than ever on their underwater car loans

Posted on 10/16/25 at 12:01 pm
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27105 posts
Posted on 10/16/25 at 12:01 pm
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(NewsNation) — Americans are drowning in car debt, and the water’s rising fast.

Last quarter, 28% of trade-ins toward new car purchases were underwater, meaning the vehicles were worth less than what was owed on them, according to Edmunds. That’s the highest share in four years.

Borrowers with upside-down car loans also owed more than ever — an average of $6,905, up more than 60% from four years earlier.

Ivan Drury, Edmunds’ director of insights, said the amount of trade-in debt consumers are carrying should be a “wake-up call.”

Much of this stems from shoppers trading out of vehicles too quickly, or carrying loans taken out during the pandemic car market frenzy, when prices were at record highs,” Drury said in a statement.

Those choices have led to more underwater car loans carrying significant debt, often over five figures. Edmunds said nearly 25% of trade-ins with negative equity had more than $10,000 in debt last quarter — a record share.


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Edmunds’ latest figures add to mounting evidence of growing strain among borrowers, and some fear that auto finance is at a breaking point.

Delinquencies, defaults, and repossessions have shot up in recent years and look alarmingly similar to trends that were apparent before the Great Recession,” the Consumer Federation of America warned in a September report.

Auto debt has overtaken student loans as the largest non-mortgage debt category, with Americans owing roughly $1.66 trillion on their vehicles.


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And there’s no sign that new car prices are coming down.

The average American new car buyer paid a record $50,080 in September, Kelley Blue Book reported this week. It’s the first time that figure has ever topped the $50,000 mark.

Kelley Blue Book attributed the spike to three factors: tariff costs, luxury shoppers, and a rush to claim the expiring EV tax credit.


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Posted by tigafan4life
Member since Dec 2006
50574 posts
Posted on 10/16/25 at 12:05 pm to
People trying to look rich i guess. I JUST got a newish car (2023 honda HR-V) and my payment is under 400 bucks a month. I refuse to pay what people pay for cars now. 800 bucks? No thanks.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
68718 posts
Posted on 10/16/25 at 12:05 pm to
In a world of dead beats, be reliable.

2 cars, $0 monthly payments.
Posted by Baers Foot
Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns
Member since Dec 2011
3861 posts
Posted on 10/16/25 at 12:06 pm to
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The average American new car buyer paid a record $50,080 in September, Kelley Blue Book reported this week. It’s the first time that figure has ever topped the $50,000 mark.


Average American? 50k? No way.
Posted by tigafan4life
Member since Dec 2006
50574 posts
Posted on 10/16/25 at 12:07 pm to
I had no car payment for over 2 years- it was nice.
Posted by forkedintheroad
Member since Feb 2025
1304 posts
Posted on 10/16/25 at 12:08 pm to
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during the pandemic car market frenzy, when prices were at record highs,


Oh have car prices come down since then???
Posted by The Third Leg
Idiot Out Wandering Around
Member since May 2014
11506 posts
Posted on 10/16/25 at 12:09 pm to
The whole shootin’ match is looking more and more like a house of cards just waiting for a windy day.
This post was edited on 10/16/25 at 12:12 pm
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
134941 posts
Posted on 10/16/25 at 12:10 pm to
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Americans owe more than ever on their underwater car loans


Couldn't possibly be less shocked
Posted by SonicAndBareKnuckles
Member since Jun 2018
1837 posts
Posted on 10/16/25 at 12:11 pm to
Additionally, just imagine the insurance premiums for those new cars compared to a 5+ year old car.
Posted by Shexter
Prairieville
Member since Feb 2014
18919 posts
Posted on 10/16/25 at 12:12 pm to
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carrying loans taken out during the pandemic car market frenzy, when prices were at record highs


Housing market is next
Posted by YOURADHERE
Member since Dec 2006
8410 posts
Posted on 10/16/25 at 12:14 pm to
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Oh have car prices come down since then???


Not that MSRPs have come down but remember that people were apparently so willing to pay those market adjustment price bumps like it was nothing to them, if you needed a new vehicle you were screwed. Imagine paying a $30,000 markup on a $77,000 Toyota Tundra in 2022 and now it's worth ~$35000. Those people had to have known they'd get screwed but so many jumped into it anyway.
Posted by Dadren
Jawja
Member since Dec 2023
2984 posts
Posted on 10/16/25 at 12:17 pm to
Just my opinion, but you have to put up as much cash as you can. And if you need to borrow, make sure you can get that note gone ASAP.

Being underwater on a car is a trap and car buying in 2025 is set up to keep you there forever.
Posted by AbitaFan08
Boston, MA
Member since Apr 2008
27871 posts
Posted on 10/16/25 at 12:18 pm to
The economy is doing great. Anyone who says otherwise doesn’t know what they are saying. #MAGA2028
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
68718 posts
Posted on 10/16/25 at 12:20 pm to
Trump was elected because MAGA knew the economy was shite. I'm sure that revision makes you feel better, though, so carry on.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
20549 posts
Posted on 10/16/25 at 12:24 pm to
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I JUST got a newish car (2023 honda HR-V) and my payment is under 400 bucks a month. I refuse to pay what people pay for cars now. 800 bucks?

Is that what your concerns are. Let me go talk to my manager and let me see what I can do to get your note in the 400s.

I spoke to my manager, let's go talk to the finance department so we can put you in this 2026 model for 489 a month for the next 102 months
Posted by GeauxTigers123
Member since Feb 2007
3050 posts
Posted on 10/16/25 at 12:24 pm to
Lots of people out their that can only really afford a Camry but have a 80k car.
Posted by WilsonPickett
St Amant, LA
Member since Oct 2009
1691 posts
Posted on 10/16/25 at 12:38 pm to
But you can’t put a Camry on social media with the caption”we did a thing today!” and be cool! ??
Posted by W2NOMO
Member since Jul 2025
1463 posts
Posted on 10/16/25 at 12:41 pm to
Good.
Posted by tigafan4life
Member since Dec 2006
50574 posts
Posted on 10/16/25 at 12:43 pm to
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489 a month for the next 102 months
Sorry - i should have added that I didn't also want to be paying on a car for the next 37584390 motnths either.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
70779 posts
Posted on 10/16/25 at 12:45 pm to
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Lots of people out their that can only really afford a Camry but have a 80k car.


Well you can probably get an $80k camy these days
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