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Will Alcohol Eventually Go The Way Of Cigarettes?
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:20 am
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:20 am
In terms of no longer being considered socially popular or even acceptable?
I know a lot of studies have come out in recent years on how bad alcohol is for you, even in moderate doses. There used to be the old "one glass of wine is good for you" thought process by many, and even that has been debunked.
My mom is 77 and my dad just turned 80 this year. They grew up in the time where almost everyone smoked. When smoking was cool and popular. When you had smoking sections in restaurants and stadiums. Heck where people smoked even on airplanes. My mom has 4 aunts, 2 of them smoked every day, 1 smoked as a teenager and in her 20s before quitting and the other never smoked. I'm thankful that my mom and dad were some of the few in that generation who really never smoked, they never liked it. Both of my aunts who smoked every day eventually passed away due to lung cancer, and both were younger than my mom.
The reason I bring this up? We're getting into football season. I know it's partially my age, as I'm 40 now, but I know 10 years ago I would be getting a 12 pack of some beer and getting ready to chug down 8 - 10 of them this Saturday watching various games. Several years ago I decided to really cut back. I was never an alcoholic, but I just decided to do it for health reasons. Like many I don't really miss it as much as I thought I would. Fast forward to today, I really have very little desire to drink any this Saturday for the first weekend of football.
Many local bars now aren't nearly as busy as they used to be. Heck some have said that even dating has suffered, as people aren't getting drunk in social environments any more and meeting others. Gen Z in particular seems to have dropped drinking for marijuana, THC and other drugs to get that same high without the hangover from alcohol that we all know well.
The point being is it's undeniable that drinking is way down. I think some of that is self-inflicted, especially by the beer companies. Beer especially was almost a mediocre product at best, but we all drank beer because it was cheap. What many beer companies seem to not understand is that, by not being cheap anymore, they've taken away it's main advantage. But besides alcohol in general getting more expensive, more and more studies have come out on how bad alcohol is for you in general. That will be far more problematic for alcohol companies.
Cigarettes over the years have largely been removed in American society. Cigarette companies can no longer advertise, cigarettes are held behind the counter at retail stores, smoking sections have all but been removed and now those companies have to advertise how bad their product is for you (essentially saying don't buy us).
I could see the same thing gradually happen to alcohol. I could see alcohol being moved behind the counter at retail stores and I could definitely see alcohol advertisements being banned.
What do you think? Do you think alcohol will eventually go the same way as cigarettes socially, where it goes from being the thing everyone does to being looked down upon? Do you think it will go farther to where alcohol, like cigarettes before, are banned from advertisements, forced to have warnings of how dangerous they are and put behind retail counters?
I know a lot of studies have come out in recent years on how bad alcohol is for you, even in moderate doses. There used to be the old "one glass of wine is good for you" thought process by many, and even that has been debunked.
My mom is 77 and my dad just turned 80 this year. They grew up in the time where almost everyone smoked. When smoking was cool and popular. When you had smoking sections in restaurants and stadiums. Heck where people smoked even on airplanes. My mom has 4 aunts, 2 of them smoked every day, 1 smoked as a teenager and in her 20s before quitting and the other never smoked. I'm thankful that my mom and dad were some of the few in that generation who really never smoked, they never liked it. Both of my aunts who smoked every day eventually passed away due to lung cancer, and both were younger than my mom.
The reason I bring this up? We're getting into football season. I know it's partially my age, as I'm 40 now, but I know 10 years ago I would be getting a 12 pack of some beer and getting ready to chug down 8 - 10 of them this Saturday watching various games. Several years ago I decided to really cut back. I was never an alcoholic, but I just decided to do it for health reasons. Like many I don't really miss it as much as I thought I would. Fast forward to today, I really have very little desire to drink any this Saturday for the first weekend of football.
Many local bars now aren't nearly as busy as they used to be. Heck some have said that even dating has suffered, as people aren't getting drunk in social environments any more and meeting others. Gen Z in particular seems to have dropped drinking for marijuana, THC and other drugs to get that same high without the hangover from alcohol that we all know well.
The point being is it's undeniable that drinking is way down. I think some of that is self-inflicted, especially by the beer companies. Beer especially was almost a mediocre product at best, but we all drank beer because it was cheap. What many beer companies seem to not understand is that, by not being cheap anymore, they've taken away it's main advantage. But besides alcohol in general getting more expensive, more and more studies have come out on how bad alcohol is for you in general. That will be far more problematic for alcohol companies.
Cigarettes over the years have largely been removed in American society. Cigarette companies can no longer advertise, cigarettes are held behind the counter at retail stores, smoking sections have all but been removed and now those companies have to advertise how bad their product is for you (essentially saying don't buy us).
I could see the same thing gradually happen to alcohol. I could see alcohol being moved behind the counter at retail stores and I could definitely see alcohol advertisements being banned.
What do you think? Do you think alcohol will eventually go the same way as cigarettes socially, where it goes from being the thing everyone does to being looked down upon? Do you think it will go farther to where alcohol, like cigarettes before, are banned from advertisements, forced to have warnings of how dangerous they are and put behind retail counters?
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Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:21 am to TigerSharkMan
No.
Younger generations are not drinking as much.
Mainstream cannabis legalization is on deck.
Younger generations are not drinking as much.
Mainstream cannabis legalization is on deck.
This post was edited on 8/28/25 at 8:25 am
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:22 am to TigerSharkMan
Carrie Nation ain't coming back.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:22 am to TigerSharkMan
nah everyone likes a beer after a long work week.
Alcohol doesn't make you smell like an ashtray. Well it makes you smell I bet but not like an ashtray.
Alcohol doesn't make you smell like an ashtray. Well it makes you smell I bet but not like an ashtray.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:23 am to TigerSharkMan
quote:
Do you think alcohol will eventually go the same way as cigarettes socially, where it goes from being the thing everyone does to being looked down upon?
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:24 am to TigerSharkMan
you need an editor
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:25 am to TigerSharkMan
No, not at all.
Things are cyclical.
Alcohol is eternally human
Things are cyclical.
Alcohol is eternally human
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:25 am to TigerSharkMan
I don't know, man. I feel like there are other signals that use/purchases are growing.
I would guess microbrewery growth has slowed due to various factors (oversaturation, move to seltzers/wine/liquor), but I feel like micro distilleries are exploding and every grocery store around me is putting in a high end liquor section. You used to have maybe five brands of vodka on the shelf, now there are 20. Every famous person starts a tequila brand, bourbon seems as popular as ever, etc. Maybe people are just getting blasted at home more, especially since the pandemic.
I would guess microbrewery growth has slowed due to various factors (oversaturation, move to seltzers/wine/liquor), but I feel like micro distilleries are exploding and every grocery store around me is putting in a high end liquor section. You used to have maybe five brands of vodka on the shelf, now there are 20. Every famous person starts a tequila brand, bourbon seems as popular as ever, etc. Maybe people are just getting blasted at home more, especially since the pandemic.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:26 am to TigerSharkMan
It will take awhile as the alcohol industry is far more accepted than the smoking industry and its far more lucrative.
You still have tons of marketing dollars put forth towards alcohol sales, vineyards, entertainment/hospitality/restaurant programs centered on alcohol consumption/sales, etc.
Its not just the simple act of drinking that needs to lose is lustre, it's the entire alcohol-centric environment that would need to become far less attractive coupled with a far more appealing non-alcoholic alternative.
There doesnt seem to be anything that compares to alcohol in terms of how it integrates with recreational activities. Weed doesnt work because it has a completely different effect on the person which causes people to interact with each other in very different ways.
You also have to consider that we understand the cons of alcohol extremely well after generations of consumption across cultures/regions.
Hard to say any other substance can compare in terms of understanding.
You still have tons of marketing dollars put forth towards alcohol sales, vineyards, entertainment/hospitality/restaurant programs centered on alcohol consumption/sales, etc.
Its not just the simple act of drinking that needs to lose is lustre, it's the entire alcohol-centric environment that would need to become far less attractive coupled with a far more appealing non-alcoholic alternative.
There doesnt seem to be anything that compares to alcohol in terms of how it integrates with recreational activities. Weed doesnt work because it has a completely different effect on the person which causes people to interact with each other in very different ways.
You also have to consider that we understand the cons of alcohol extremely well after generations of consumption across cultures/regions.
Hard to say any other substance can compare in terms of understanding.
This post was edited on 8/28/25 at 8:31 am
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:26 am to TigerSharkMan
Short answer no.
But I do think consumption will go down as more young kids drink less.
But I do think consumption will go down as more young kids drink less.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:26 am to TigerSharkMan
quote:ive also seen studies come out saying its decent for your health in moderate quantities.
I know a lot of studies have come out in recent years on how bad alcohol is for you, even in moderate doses.
quote:thats because of price... not because people are drinking less.
Many local bars now aren't nearly as busy as they used to be.
quote:back this claim up.....
The point being is it's undeniable that drinking is way down.
quote:WTF are you talking about?
Beer especially was almost a mediocre product at best,
quote:oohh you are playing the, "keep repeating it and ill look like and expert" game.
more and more studies have come out on how bad alcohol is for you in general.
quote:
I could see the same thing gradually happen to alcohol. I could see alcohol being moved behind the counter at retail stores and I could definitely see alcohol advertisements being banned.
do you know anything abotu history? this was tried before.... let me tell you the rest of the story... it didnt end well. Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:28 am to TigerSharkMan
I don't think so. A cold beer while watching football is just too good.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:29 am to TigerSharkMan
Easy availability and consumption of Wine ain’t never going away.
Hard spirits already are more tightly controlled and regulated in the EU & the UK than they formerly were.
I could see that trend continuing but never to full prohibition.
Life would be less messy without alcohol.
(There are good messes and bad messes)
Hard spirits already are more tightly controlled and regulated in the EU & the UK than they formerly were.
I could see that trend continuing but never to full prohibition.
Life would be less messy without alcohol.
(There are good messes and bad messes)
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:29 am to TigerSharkMan
quote:
Do you think alcohol will eventually go the same way as cigarettes socially, where it goes from being the thing everyone does to being looked down upon?
I could see that happening way down the road. Trends may eventually make it trashy like smoking so that drinking is done more at home than in public.
But they still sell plenty of smokes, and there will always be a market for alcohol. Folks just may be a little less open about it.
A significant part of the population, throughout history and in every part of the planet, find some way to get fricked up. Whiskey, weed, peyote, opium, mushrooms, pulque, pruno, cocaine, xanax, Oxy, fentanyl, etc.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:30 am to CarRamrod
Studies have shown young people are drinking way less. They’re also fricking less. fricking dorks.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:32 am to TigerSharkMan
When did people stop buying cigarettes?
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:32 am to TigerSharkMan
No. You’re looking at this wrong. Nicotine use is actually exploding these days. Smoking is not the drug, it is the delivery mechanism. The smoke made it all disgusting and toxic to the body. Now, it’s all about clean use. Zyns and such. Alcohol is the drug, and the way we consume it is cumbersome.
America is going through a shift in consumption. Beer is tanking. Too many calories. Wine is down. These are heavy substances and laborious ways to consume an otherwise mild drug.
I think the future of alcohol is moderation. Cocktails, wine with food only. 1-2 beers. This is how the drug should be consumed. Sloppy drunkenness is off-putting. You don’t see it in the rest of the world like you do here—sure, maybe some places, but not many. There are better drugs if you’re chasing a stronger effect.
America is going through a shift in consumption. Beer is tanking. Too many calories. Wine is down. These are heavy substances and laborious ways to consume an otherwise mild drug.
I think the future of alcohol is moderation. Cocktails, wine with food only. 1-2 beers. This is how the drug should be consumed. Sloppy drunkenness is off-putting. You don’t see it in the rest of the world like you do here—sure, maybe some places, but not many. There are better drugs if you’re chasing a stronger effect.
This post was edited on 8/28/25 at 9:00 am
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:36 am to CarRamrod
Gallup: U.S. Drinking Rate at New Low as Alcohol Concerns Surge
I’m certainly not representing this poll as fact, but there have been other reports that drinking is down.
Could it be the marijuana increase?
I don’t know. It is cyclical so I don’t think this is permanent.
I also think comparing cigarettes and alcohol is not valid. There are drastic differences in the two and their clientele.
I’m certainly not representing this poll as fact, but there have been other reports that drinking is down.
Could it be the marijuana increase?
I don’t know. It is cyclical so I don’t think this is permanent.
I also think comparing cigarettes and alcohol is not valid. There are drastic differences in the two and their clientele.
quote:
WASHINGTON, D.C. — The percentage of U.S. adults who say they consume alcohol has fallen to 54%, the lowest by one percentage point in Gallup’s nearly 90-year trend. This coincides with a growing belief among Americans that moderate alcohol consumption is bad for one’s health, now the majority view for the first time.
Gallup has tracked Americans’ drinking behavior since 1939 and their views of the health implications of moderate drinking since 2001. The latest results are from Gallup’s annual Consumption Habits survey, conducted July 7-21.
Record-Low 54% Say They Consume Alcohol
From 1997 to 2023, at least 60% of Americans reported drinking alcohol. The figure fell to 62% in 2023 and to 58% in 2024, before reaching 54% today. Prior to the most recent poll, the rate has been under 60% fewer than 10 times, including 58% in the initial 1939 poll and a one-time low of 55% recorded in 1958. The highs of 68% to 71% were all recorded between 1974 and 1981.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:39 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
quote:studies show old people die more.
Studies have shown young people are drinking way less.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:40 am to TigerSharkMan
There'd be lot of unhappy ugly people.
Both men and women.
Both men and women.
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