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Alberta’s break-up talk with Canada gets real
Posted on 5/11/25 at 8:59 am
Posted on 5/11/25 at 8:59 am
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Alberta’s threat to divorce Canada is getting more serious than ever.
Premier Danielle Smith announced this week that the oil-rich province could hold its first-ever referendum on independence in 2026, as the area’s pro-51st state activists ramp up calls to ditch the Great White North in favor of the star-spangled banner.
“Staying with Canada is finished,” Alberta resident Steve Harvey, 52, told The Post. “We’ve been an eagle locked up in a cage for decades because of Canada. It’s time that we’re set free.”
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Alberta’s beef with Canada comes from growing anger over what’s viewed as the Liberal government chocking the province’s oil industry.
“They’ve blocked new pipelines, cancelled various oil and gas projects and banned the very tanker ships needed to carry these resources to new markets,” Smith said this week in a livestreamed address to Albertans.
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“We just want to be free to develop and export that incredible wealth of resources we have for the benefit of our families and future generations.”
Fed up Albertans, who held a separation rally last week at the Edmonton legislature attended by close to 500, are also urging their countrymen to write to the White House to express support to join the union.
“This thing is real. There is momentum,” said Edmonton resident Jordon Kosik, who runs a Facebook group advocating for Alberta separation.
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Posted on 5/11/25 at 9:03 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Divide and conquer
Posted on 5/11/25 at 9:03 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Quebec has been trying for years and it hasnt happened
Neither will this
Neither will this
Posted on 5/11/25 at 9:06 am to Cosmo
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Quebec has been trying for years and it hasnt happened
The problem with Quebec is that their major export is snooty French posturing.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 9:07 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
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Fed up Albertans, who held a separation rally last week at the Edmonton legislature attended by close to 500, are also urging their countrymen to write to the White House to express support to join the union.
No matter how justified it would be reasonable to call this treason.
But on the other hand:
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."[68]
Posted on 5/11/25 at 9:14 am to FriedEggBowL
If, big if this happens, then Saskatchewan and Manitoba will follow.
Ontario, Quebec and British Columbia control the country and have ignored the Prarie Provinces for years.
Ontario, Quebec and British Columbia control the country and have ignored the Prarie Provinces for years.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 9:15 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Would be nice to bring them on but they have a much better chance at becoming their own sovereign nation vs joining the US.
Just to become their own country, a Canadian province has to have a full majority vote (easiest part though they're not quite there yet) and have to negotiate with Canada (not so easy really). Canada would want half their resource income in perpetuity and likely a lot more concessions involving defense and other stuff.
Going the "join the US" route would be far more difficult and realistically, Canada would never negotiate with the US for it (too much of a perceived insult for now) and if somehow they did, they would ask for 10x as much. Imagine what they'd ask for if multiple provinces left.
Just to become their own country, a Canadian province has to have a full majority vote (easiest part though they're not quite there yet) and have to negotiate with Canada (not so easy really). Canada would want half their resource income in perpetuity and likely a lot more concessions involving defense and other stuff.
Going the "join the US" route would be far more difficult and realistically, Canada would never negotiate with the US for it (too much of a perceived insult for now) and if somehow they did, they would ask for 10x as much. Imagine what they'd ask for if multiple provinces left.
This post was edited on 5/11/25 at 9:17 am
Posted on 5/11/25 at 9:15 am to Cosmo
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Quebec has been trying for years and it hasnt happened
They actually held a referendum on a succession vote I believe 30 years ago. It was barely defeated. Had it passed, Quebec would have succeeded from Canada. So they did get it done, it was just barely defeated when put up for a vote.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 9:17 am to shinerfan
Well, the Canadian Government will have a choice, just like with the truckers. Either step in with force and risk the chance of open rebellion or let it metastasize. Alberta watched the Truckers thing and they know. Will get interesting pretty quickly. As will the ‘rogue Judiciary’ here. One or the other must give in both instances.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 9:28 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
”But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
Posted on 5/11/25 at 9:33 am to theballguy
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but they have a much better chance at becoming their own sovereign nation vs joining the US.
I think they would have to go independent first but even an exit agreement to never seek statehood would be laughably unenforceable once they achieved sovereign status.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 9:38 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Would be great to live to see a 51 star flag!
Would welcome Alberta with open arms.
Much of the rest of Canada can stay away.
Would welcome Alberta with open arms.
Much of the rest of Canada can stay away.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 9:42 am to shinerfan
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an exit agreement to never seek statehood would be laughably unenforceable once they achieved sovereign status.
Have you vetted this through SFP ?
Posted on 5/11/25 at 9:46 am to Cosmo
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Quebec has been trying for years and it hasnt happened
The vote in 1995 was 50.5 No to 49.5 Yes.
It was very, very close.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 10:04 am to tide06
I think they also had another one around 1980 which was even closer.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 10:07 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
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“We’ve been an eagle locked up in a cage for decades because of Canada. It’s time that we’re set free.”
Posted on 5/11/25 at 10:15 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
This needs to happen quick in case Edmonton wins the Stanley Cup. We can’t have the cup go to Canada!!!
Posted on 5/11/25 at 10:15 am to Lynxrufus2012
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If, big if this happens, then Saskatchewan and Manitoba will follow.
No. Before it ever gets to that, Alberta leaders would be arrested and the province placed under martial law. If you want to see how fast Toronto will put boots in faces, you'll get an eyeful if they actually try to go through with this.
Its a principle of political power that nations don't let sections secede, even if it would be better for both, because it means a reduction in power and prestige for the parent country.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 10:20 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
I visited Alberta late last year and it's the most conservative province in Canada. While talking to locals who hated Trudeau and were big fans of Pierre Poilievre. They compared it to how we in the states hated Biden.
This post was edited on 5/11/25 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 5/11/25 at 10:22 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Yeah, Quebec was a big talker about separation for years. Never came truly close. So we’ll see.
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