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Likely next German Chancellor "Europe needs to achieve independence from the USA"

Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:13 am
Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:13 am
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“It should be a priority to strengthen Europe as fast as possible so that we gradually achieve independence from the U.S.” Friedrich Merz, the victor of the election and Germany’s likely next chancellor, said on Sunday. “It’s clear that the Americans, at least this American administration, are largely indifferent to the fate of Europe.”
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Merz has a lot of work to do to get Germany and the EU back on track. However, I must say that it is about damn nice to hear the leader of Germany realize that they have to defend themselves. The EU's main threat comes from Russia. Russia would struggle with Poland but would could conquer the other countries with ease in a conventional war if the European countries acted independently. However if they act together then they should be to whip Russia with ease in a conventional war. Russia is a large country in size but it only has a population of 150 million. The EU has a population of 450 million. The UK and Ukraine who are not EU members at the moment but would likely side with the EU in a war with Russia brings in another 99 million people. If you add in the UK and Ukraine military to the collective military power of the EU then ground forces and naval forces are also in the EU's favor. If the Europeans would pull their heads out of their arses then the EU + the UK + Ukraine should only need to the USAF and missile defense forces to defend Europe. If Europe gets serious about defense then 10-15 years should be enough time for the EU to build up its air forces and learn how to operate and purchase enough American and Israeli missile defense systems to protect themselves. I do not think that Trump and his successor which is hopefully Vance, DeSantis, or Rubio should tell Europe that they have 10 years to get their shite together before we withdraw our forces from Europe. If they get their shite together we are still pulling out forces out but we will stay in NATO and help defend them but if they do not then we are pulling our forces out and leaving NATO in 10 years.
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
83375 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:14 am to
They won't achieve it by bowing down to immigration tards and free speech deathers
Posted by Faurot fodder
Member since Jul 2019
6756 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:15 am to
They still sound weak AF, even when they say the right things.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
43558 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:16 am to
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Likely next German Chancellor "Europe needs to achieve independence from the USA"


Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
16855 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:17 am to
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It should be a priority to strengthen Europe as fast as possible so that we gradually achieve independence from the U.S.

frick gradually. Bring our troops home and grant Germany their independence now.
Posted by ItTakesAThief
Scottsdale, Arizona
Member since Dec 2009
10425 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:19 am to
We should close down Germany military bases by the end of the year and move them to Greenland.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
107833 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:19 am to
When Europe sends all of its actual males to war then the Muslim immigrants will be even more free to rape and murder women and children. Russia is the wrong enemy.
Posted by Undertow
Member since Sep 2016
8971 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:20 am to
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“It’s clear that the Americans, at least this American administration, are largely indifferent to the fate of Europe.”


Is Europe the least bit concerned with the fate of America? No. So why should America’s leaders be concerned about the fate of Europe? America should be focused on the fate of America.

So he’s right, but for the wrong reasons.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
36155 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:20 am to
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"Europe needs to achieve independence from the USA"

Yeah. I fully agree.
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2010
16192 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:20 am to
Well we did destroy their cheap energy pipeline (an act of war against Germany) and their economy so I would hope so. They are pretty cuck now as a vassal state so who knows.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
74859 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:21 am to
Pipeline was owned by russia no?
Posted by Great Plains Drifter
Flyover, U.S.A.
Member since Jul 2019
9079 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:23 am to
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Likely next German Chancellor "Europe needs to achieve independence from the USA"


I agree.

If “Europe” insists on its continued path of:

- authoritarian “liberal democracy”
- open borders and mass migration,
- cancelled elections
- only “approved” free speech being permitted
-perpetuating hostilities towards Russia in hopes of causing Putin to collapse even if it results in a wider conflict

Then “Europe” needs to do that on its own accord and with its own funding.

Perhaps eventually some formerly sovereign nations within “Europe” will realize they are really no longer independent anyway.
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
4690 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:24 am to
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“It’s clear that the Americans, at least this American administration, are largely indifferent to the fate of Europe.”


I don't think that's true. It's like saying that, by neglecting their military, Europe has been indifferent to the fate of the US. I hope it's more accurate to say that the US is no longer indifferent to the economic fate of the US. We can't afford to be the primary defender of multiple continents.
Posted by John Barron
The Mar-a-Lago Club
Member since Sep 2024
17101 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:28 am to
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The EU has a population of 450 million. 


And 99% of them are not in any condition or shape to be soldiers not to mention the fact they would never volunteer. You have the worst takes Not surprised since you were giving updates on the War from your Ukrainian Tinder Girl Sources
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
44337 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:29 am to
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They won't achieve it by bowing down to immigration tards and free speech deathers


Merz and the CDU/CSU have shifted a good ways to the right on immigration since Merkel stepped down. They are not as tough on immigration as the AFD but they are a lot tougher than the SPD under Scholtz. Will it be enough?
This post was edited on 2/24/25 at 11:40 am
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2010
16192 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:30 am to
No. A collection of companies (German, British, swiss etc **) across Europe and it was also a huge benefit to all of the german economy/people.


**And Russian, figured it was given but should still state.
This post was edited on 2/24/25 at 11:49 am
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
44337 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:31 am to
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We should close down Germany military bases by the end of the year and move them to Poland.


FIFY

Greenland is too far from Europe to provide effective air cover.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
10698 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:31 am to
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quote:It should be a priority to strengthen Europe as fast as possible so that we gradually achieve independence from the U.S. frick gradually. Bring our troops home and grant Germany their independence now.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
74859 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:32 am to
Energy is always a benefit no doubt.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
30550 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:34 am to
quote:

achieve independence from the USA


Haven't they heard? We are looking to cut government spending by a lot... pulling troops from Germany would cut no telling how many millions annually...
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