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re: The DFW metroplex is fascinating to me

Posted on 5/13/24 at 12:09 pm to
Posted by Limitlesstigers
Lafayette
Member since Nov 2019
2927 posts
Posted on 5/13/24 at 12:09 pm to
I like Fort Worth more too but that commute to my office in Plano was too brutal.
Posted by Ostrich
Alexandria, VA
Member since Nov 2011
8778 posts
Posted on 5/13/24 at 12:13 pm to
DFW completely lacks in history, culture, and charm. It makes up for it in strip malls and tract housing though!
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11196 posts
Posted on 5/13/24 at 12:15 pm to
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True, but if you like bad arse IRL dime piece chicks who like to party and make their own money


I lived there for 8 years for a reason

The restaraunt scene is elite AF, too
Posted by El Segundo Guy
SE OK
Member since Aug 2014
9654 posts
Posted on 5/13/24 at 12:15 pm to
I can't stand DFW. It's the closest city/airport, so I have to go even though it makes me cringe.

I used to drive down 75 past Sherman and there was a break. Van Alstyne, Melissa, Anna--small towns with easy highway access to get fuel or whatever and then continue to Dallas. Now it's urban sprawl and basically from Sherman all the way down.

I used to go to Uptown, stay at Le Meridien, eat at Nick & Sam's and make a little trip out of going to Dallas. Now it's a straight trip to DFW or Love Field then get the hell away.
Posted by Czechessential
Member since Apr 2024
714 posts
Posted on 5/13/24 at 12:15 pm to
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DFW completely lacks in history,


what they lack in history they make up, there are little historical markers everywhere but if you stop and read them they really don't say what it is that's historical about it, just that it's a historical location
Posted by turnpiketiger
Southeast Texas
Member since May 2020
9550 posts
Posted on 5/13/24 at 12:17 pm to
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For whatever reason I get an empty, desolate feeling in Dallas that I don’t get in Houston. I have no rational explanation for this


Greater Houston has a lot of similarities to DFW but one difference I’ve noticed is that Houston proper is massively larger than Dallas or FW Proper.

Houston is a more urbanized area while Dallas is more of a suburbanized area. There’s way more Dallas suburbs than there are Houston suburbs. The city of Houston just kept taking over areas that would have otherwise been their own city. Dallas doesn’t do that.

Houston is also much more of an international city. Especially within 610. Way more international influence in Houston than there is in Dallas. At least in my experience
This post was edited on 5/13/24 at 12:19 pm
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
15890 posts
Posted on 5/13/24 at 12:23 pm to
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you know a place sucks when one of the first things you mention is how you can easily get to other places


Baton Rouge has entered the chat
Posted by Ostrich
Alexandria, VA
Member since Nov 2011
8778 posts
Posted on 5/13/24 at 12:25 pm to
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Houston is a more urbanized area while Dallas is more of a suburbanized area. There’s way more Dallas suburbs than there are Houston suburbs. The city of Houston just kept taking over areas that would have otherwise been their own city. Dallas doesn’t do that.

Houston is also much more of an international city. Especially within 610. Way more international influence in Houston than there is in Dallas. At least in my experience


Houston is boring too but it does have a slightly more unique identity than Dallas. The weather is awful though.
Posted by DaGarun
Smashville
Member since Nov 2007
26186 posts
Posted on 5/13/24 at 12:37 pm to
I lived there a long time ago, and the description I always landed on was "sterile". I liked it, and there was a lot to do, but it was culturally barren... it had no flavor. I still visit from time to time, and it has improved, though.
Posted by Toss_Dive
Member since Jul 2022
179 posts
Posted on 5/13/24 at 12:42 pm to
Summers in both cities can be brutal.

I’ve lived in both cities and I prefer Houston overall but I get the appeal of the DFW area for families wanting to live in suburbia.

Honestly I would recommend any kid just out of college to move to DFW or Houston due to the job opportunities, great cost of living and good night life.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25395 posts
Posted on 5/13/24 at 1:06 pm to
I fly to DFW a lot for work. I love how there is so many things to do, plenty of opportunities, reasonable winters, solid highway infrastructure, and a very good airport. The food is very solid and you can find almost anything there except interesting typography.

I prefer Chicago having spent time there, but it’s far from perfect. And having grown up near Baton Rouge… Houston always feels more like home than Dallas. But I don’t dislike DFW at all.

My beef with the area is how it fits with my lifestyle and goals.

1. Housing costs in DFW are higher than I like, and most of the neighborhoods don’t feel like real communities to me. This is not unique to DFW either. But it’s a problem in a lot of it’s neighborhoods. DFW is actually not too crazy for a metro it’s size, but that doesn’t mean it’s not a real problem.

2. Property taxes are higher than I’d like. These can’t be easily controlled or circumvented either. They can be really steep in parts of Texas. If you have a lot of kids and use public schools, it’s not really too big of a deal…but if you have 1-2 kids, the value those taxes provide isn’t as easy to exploit.

3. I prefer areas where I can more easily save and cut personal spending while building wealth under the radar. We are all human, and we influence each other. There is less “keeping up with Joneses” in places like Memphis, Baton Rouge, Tulsa, OKC, or even Houston or some upper midwest cities. I can easily find good neighborhoods where my driving a Toyota or wearing Wal Mart clothes won't stand out. Ft Worth isn’t too bad, but Dallas feels very deep in the consumption lifestyle that I like to avoid as my kids get into school and I reach middle age/peak earnings. Sounds crazy, but it’s easier for me to be a cheap bastard in other places.
This post was edited on 5/13/24 at 4:04 pm
Posted by turnpiketiger
Southeast Texas
Member since May 2020
9550 posts
Posted on 5/13/24 at 1:12 pm to
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Houston is boring too


Enlighten me on what’s so special about Alexandria Virginia that Houston doesn’t offer.
Posted by Melkor
Member since Sep 2022
128 posts
Posted on 5/13/24 at 1:15 pm to
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Now it sounds like you're just making things up. My kids were ahead of every other kid when we moved from Allen to Lafayette. They were slightly above average in Allen. Our school in Lafayette has an A rating too so it's not a hoodrat school by any means.
So you found a worst school in Lafayette - congrats? Our ISD there was ranked #1 and yet taught near zero science and was far behind in math, at least up to the 8th grade (when we left). It was such a fraud.
Posted by turnpiketiger
Southeast Texas
Member since May 2020
9550 posts
Posted on 5/13/24 at 1:25 pm to
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Tulsa, OKC


Now we’re talking great cities. Bang for your buck.
Posted by Dragula
Laguna Seca
Member since Jun 2020
4947 posts
Posted on 5/13/24 at 1:46 pm to
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So you found a worst school in Lafayette - congrats? Our ISD there was ranked #1 and yet taught near zero science and was far behind in math, at least up to the 8th grade (when we left). It was such a fraud.


This is GOAT Louisiana BAW, arguing Louisiana public schools are better than Texas public and private school in the higher end Texas neighborhoods.

People move to Texas in part for their excellent schools, but somehow it's a big conspiracy and "fraud" and Louisiana schools are the best despite low scores.
This post was edited on 5/13/24 at 2:19 pm
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
47538 posts
Posted on 5/13/24 at 2:14 pm to
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I like Fort Worth more too but that commute to my office in Plano was too brutal.


God Damnnn. I commuted from North Dallas(Frankford) to Valley View@I-35 in Farmers Branch for a while when I lived there and thought that was bad.
It took me about 45 minutes to drive 15 miles working 8-5.
(Turnpike wasn't done yet and I didn't use the Tollway).
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
10993 posts
Posted on 5/13/24 at 2:18 pm to
Dallas proper is still superior to the surrounding burbs, as much as Collin County wants to be Orange County,

The traffic is far better on the residential and side streets, superior restaurants and entertainment, and the Katy Trail/uptown area will never be matched by the burbs.

Granted you can live in Frisco and McKinney and live a happy life, never having to go to Dallas, if that’s your thing.
Posted by Ostrich
Alexandria, VA
Member since Nov 2011
8778 posts
Posted on 5/13/24 at 3:09 pm to
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Enlighten me on what’s so special about Alexandria Virginia that Houston doesn’t offer.



Wow, struck a nerve there? I was agreeing with you that Houston is better than Dallas...

But Alexandria, VA is an absolutely charming, historic town (completely unlike Houston). I encourage you to get out and visit sometime. In fact, the entire DMV metro is better than Houston in just about every way. I've lived in both.

Except tex-mex. Y'all have way better tex-mex....
This post was edited on 5/13/24 at 3:09 pm
Posted by Mr Clean
New Iberia
Member since Aug 2006
49526 posts
Posted on 5/13/24 at 3:12 pm to
Interesting that there is some farmland in the Southlake area among the tony subdivisions.

Many years ago, I was the radio play-by-play voice for Evangel Christian football. We drove to Southlake Carroll for a huge butt-whooping.
Posted by Melkor
Member since Sep 2022
128 posts
Posted on 5/13/24 at 3:36 pm to
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People move to Texas in part for their excellent schools, but somehow it's a big conspiracy and "fraud" and Louisiana schools are the best despite low scores.
Go ahead and find out for yourself then. Have you even seen the STAAR? We found that Texas' school rankings were based on the tried and true method of lowering the standards to raise the scores.
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