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Would you trade 14, 45, and Penning to move up to 5 for Alt?
Posted on 4/20/24 at 11:32 am
Posted on 4/20/24 at 11:32 am
This was proposed by some national guy whose name I can't remember, but at least 2 of the local Baton Rouge 104.5 shows cited yesterday. My 1st thought was that's ridiculous, the Chargers would never do that. That was my 2nd thought, too.
But after it was brought up a 3rd time, I started actually thinking about it for a bit. Let's just concede for this hypothetical that the Chargers would entertain it, that the national guy who wrote it/mocked it has some sort of intel. Maybe Harbaugh wants to bring in more of his guys and they really value that pick at 45 and think there's not that big a difference between who they could get at 14 than who they could get at 5 at whatever position they're eyeing. I'm not sure if they totally cleaned house, but maybe they have some scouts still on staff who were also high on Penning and think they could work with him. Or think he could be a starting guard in their new system. Whatever. Let's forget about the seemingly ridiculousness that it would be on their part. Would you do it?
Is Alt ranked so much higher on our board that moving up to get him is worth trading a (hopefully) 1st year starter that you could get at 45? Worth giving up on Penning at least being a depth piece on the OL on a rookie deal for at least 2 more years? The more I thought about it, the more I thought it's the Saints who probably shouldn't do it.
But then my final thought was that if you're going to move up to 5, why not just take a QB, assuming one is still there you like. Does it really make sense to move up into the top 5 for any other position? I don't buy into the thinking that you're paying Carr $40 million, so you have to start him. You're paying him that anyway, who cares if he starts or holds a clipboard. If the new offensive staff doesn't think he's the guy, then he's not the guy. We're gonna be eating salary cap shite for the next couple of years anyway. I'd rather eat shite with the QB I like on the team and playing rather than playing a guy that's not "the guy." Even if he's the most expensive backup in NFL history.
But after it was brought up a 3rd time, I started actually thinking about it for a bit. Let's just concede for this hypothetical that the Chargers would entertain it, that the national guy who wrote it/mocked it has some sort of intel. Maybe Harbaugh wants to bring in more of his guys and they really value that pick at 45 and think there's not that big a difference between who they could get at 14 than who they could get at 5 at whatever position they're eyeing. I'm not sure if they totally cleaned house, but maybe they have some scouts still on staff who were also high on Penning and think they could work with him. Or think he could be a starting guard in their new system. Whatever. Let's forget about the seemingly ridiculousness that it would be on their part. Would you do it?
Is Alt ranked so much higher on our board that moving up to get him is worth trading a (hopefully) 1st year starter that you could get at 45? Worth giving up on Penning at least being a depth piece on the OL on a rookie deal for at least 2 more years? The more I thought about it, the more I thought it's the Saints who probably shouldn't do it.
But then my final thought was that if you're going to move up to 5, why not just take a QB, assuming one is still there you like. Does it really make sense to move up into the top 5 for any other position? I don't buy into the thinking that you're paying Carr $40 million, so you have to start him. You're paying him that anyway, who cares if he starts or holds a clipboard. If the new offensive staff doesn't think he's the guy, then he's not the guy. We're gonna be eating salary cap shite for the next couple of years anyway. I'd rather eat shite with the QB I like on the team and playing rather than playing a guy that's not "the guy." Even if he's the most expensive backup in NFL history.
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Posted on 4/20/24 at 11:38 am to Hot Carl
No
Posted on 4/20/24 at 11:47 am to Hot Carl
Trading up in the first round always works out great for the Saints.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 11:48 am to Hot Carl
If Penning is even salvageable as a Guard or maybe just a late bloomer as a Tackle
Your giving up potentially 3 starters to fill one need
We have too many holes to do this and for it to make any sense for us
Your giving up potentially 3 starters to fill one need
We have too many holes to do this and for it to make any sense for us
Posted on 4/20/24 at 12:03 pm to Hot Carl
Ask yourself…….”Is offensive tackle the only glaring need for this franchise?” You’ll have your answer.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 12:06 pm to Hot Carl
I would stay put at 14 and 45. Really need to hit on these first two. What I am afraid of is that teams will probably call and try and bait the Saints into trading up since they know that that is their tendency.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 12:08 pm to Hot Carl
While I don’t expect this to happen because there will be some solid OTs at 14, your assumption on the trade to move from 14 to 5 values Penning as a late 4th rounder. That part is reasonable close.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 12:29 pm to Hot Carl
No. We need to hold on to our picks for once and try to fill all of our team needs. Why are this organization and its fans so obsessed with trading away all of our draft picks and wasting them every year?
Scouting is not an exact science. Alt could very well be a bust like Penning, and then we’ll be even further in the hole.
Scouting is not an exact science. Alt could very well be a bust like Penning, and then we’ll be even further in the hole.
This post was edited on 4/20/24 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 4/20/24 at 12:43 pm to Hot Carl
Just take Fashanu
Posted on 4/20/24 at 2:33 pm to Hot Carl
I rather trade down , but stay in late teens or early 20's pick and try to accumulate a 3rd or 4th round pick.
You can still get a tackle and gain extra pick.
I think that Arizona, Duke or BYU tackle would still be there.
We have an aging roster and I rather use our picks to grab some young backups.
Hopefully some of those guys stick on the roster
You can still get a tackle and gain extra pick.
I think that Arizona, Duke or BYU tackle would still be there.
We have an aging roster and I rather use our picks to grab some young backups.
Hopefully some of those guys stick on the roster
Posted on 4/20/24 at 2:34 pm to Hot Carl
Considering what draft choices we have now.. That is way too much for the higher draft picks we have.. Deal those 5th rounders to see if we can move into the lower 3rd or higher 4th...
If we don't pick an OT in the first then see about moving up in the 2nd for Graham Barton.
If we don't pick an OT in the first then see about moving up in the 2nd for Graham Barton.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 2:34 pm to Hot Carl
We need to be trading down. There isn't anyone besides one of the top 2 qbs trading up for.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 4:23 pm to Hot Carl
NO
Even if Alt is great we need Penning to play somewhere, and those two picks to turn into decent players. Otherwise Alt may just be a young standout left tackle on a declining aging team.
Even if Alt is great we need Penning to play somewhere, and those two picks to turn into decent players. Otherwise Alt may just be a young standout left tackle on a declining aging team.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 8:14 am to Hot Carl
I’d trade back and target Morgan from Arizona
Posted on 4/22/24 at 9:23 am to Hot Carl
quote:
Would you trade 14, 45, and Penning to move up to 5 for Alt?
No. I'm tired of the Saints making ridiculous trades and not coming away with a top QB.
Trading away two potential starters and one in Penning that still has time to become a contributor is not the way to go for a team with multiple holes.
In fact, this is the line of thinking that got the Saints in trouble when they made the absurd trades for Olave and Penning. They thought they were a player or two away, and really they should have been focusing on a rebuild.
Someone said this team is closer to the 2007 version of the Saints, and I agree. We need to build through the draft and acquire more young, cheap players.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 9:24 am to Hot Carl
I would do it , that would be insane value
This post was edited on 4/22/24 at 9:25 am
Posted on 4/22/24 at 1:56 pm to Hot Carl
The only player for whom I’d consider this trade is JD5.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 12:53 am to Hot Carl
frick no considering I’d take the 3 “F” tackles, Latham and Mims over Alt in the draft. He really wasn’t dominant at all in college and his size is actually going to hurt him in the NFL. I think we can find good tackles in the 2nd or 3rd rounds honestly. Tyler Guyton, Jordan Morgan, Patrick Paul, the LT from Yale, the RT from BYU and Washington RT Roger Rosengarten would all be too 50 picks in most drafts. If there ever were a draft to fall back 5-7 spots in the 1st and pick up an extra day 2 pick to start rebuilding this team with quality talent on cheap rookie deals, this is the one to do it.
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 12:54 am
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