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re: Anyone here use Natural Family Planning?
Posted on 4/17/24 at 4:16 pm to GRTiger
Posted on 4/17/24 at 4:16 pm to GRTiger
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No go during period (unless you're into that) is more like 4-5 days. So is ovulation, though they do say 6 days is the safest amount of time. It also differs for each woman, but most folks are really abstaining for maybe 10 days.
Ok that makes sense. That was a big question I had. I was seeing they estimated fertility up to 6 days and I guess there‘s a gray area where people still have sex before that amount of time.
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 4:16 pm to RGJ18
"Then God said, “Let us make humankind in our image, according to our likeness" Gen 1:26
Both Man and Woman are made in the image of God. To be so different and both be an image means that neither man nor woman individually is a full reflection.
If both only present an incomplete reflection; then only when they join together can a more full image of who God is be seen.
Therefore the closest we have on earth to the full image of God is what is reflected in the joining of a Man and a Woman through the Sacrament of Marriage.
Sex is a physical expression of love between a Man and a Woman and should be saved for marriage because so powerful is just this reflected image of God that through the joining of a man and a woman - God has chosen to share His power to create life.
Putting all of this together:
The earliest foundations of Judeo-Christian morality is built upon the idea that men and women must join together to reflect God's love. So powerful is this idea; the most godly power known to man (to create life) is reserved for this particular foundation.
God chose that the world would only get to see a more complete reflection of who is through the love shared between a man and a woman. So powerful is that love - He gives us the power to create life. He then gave us His church to protect the gifts He gave us. So to me, it makes perfect sense why the Catholic Church is so caught up on Sex. Sex is what our entire existence is predicated upon. Existence in both the physical and spiritual realms.
Both Man and Woman are made in the image of God. To be so different and both be an image means that neither man nor woman individually is a full reflection.
If both only present an incomplete reflection; then only when they join together can a more full image of who God is be seen.
Therefore the closest we have on earth to the full image of God is what is reflected in the joining of a Man and a Woman through the Sacrament of Marriage.
Sex is a physical expression of love between a Man and a Woman and should be saved for marriage because so powerful is just this reflected image of God that through the joining of a man and a woman - God has chosen to share His power to create life.
Putting all of this together:
The earliest foundations of Judeo-Christian morality is built upon the idea that men and women must join together to reflect God's love. So powerful is this idea; the most godly power known to man (to create life) is reserved for this particular foundation.
God chose that the world would only get to see a more complete reflection of who is through the love shared between a man and a woman. So powerful is that love - He gives us the power to create life. He then gave us His church to protect the gifts He gave us. So to me, it makes perfect sense why the Catholic Church is so caught up on Sex. Sex is what our entire existence is predicated upon. Existence in both the physical and spiritual realms.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 4:16 pm to Earnest_P
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We fertile.
how many kids do you have? 
Posted on 4/17/24 at 4:19 pm to back9Tiger
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As a lifelong catholic, the catholic church needs to be dismantled. It is far too corrupt and the child sex thing is deplorable. Yet these people are going to tell me how to live my life (riddled with catholic guilt).
I guess you are right. All the other religions are made 100% in Gods image and do things properly and certainly never ever involve children.
Nothing worse than a self loathing Catholic.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 4/17/24 at 4:21 pm to GreenRockTiger
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for a good education right? Never in a million years to learn Catholic values Which should be taught at home first
I’m not even catholic
Posted on 4/17/24 at 4:27 pm to GreenRockTiger
A lot.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 4/17/24 at 6:19 pm to Deuces
One of the best things me.and my now wife did prior to our marriage was going through NFP and Pre-Cana
The Catholic Church gets it right on this.
The Catholic Church gets it right on this.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 4/17/24 at 6:23 pm to GRTiger
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Birth control fricks women up. Makes them crazy and by 40 they want new tits and an "arrangement."
Good luck, cucks.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 6:27 pm to back9Tiger
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As a lifelong catholic, the catholic church needs to be dismantled.
Slow your roll there, Cowboy.
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It is far too corrupt
This is true but so is every other religious organization run by men on Earth
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Yet these people are going to tell me how to live my life
So does every other church/denomination.
I'm Catholic BTW.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 4/17/24 at 6:29 pm to Deuces
quote:Yep. Been married 10 years. We have 2, not 20, kids spaced two years apart . Creighton Method. Track the cycle. Green Days (good to go). Baby Days (do something else). As others have said, sex with a “fully natural” wife is great!
Anyone here use Natural Family Planning?
Posted on 4/17/24 at 6:43 pm to Earnest_P
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while denying God the chance to use the act for the creation of a person?
Nfp is more effective at denying god the such chance than any other method, according to nfp’ers
Posted on 4/17/24 at 6:58 pm to Deuces
Go with your wife to her gynecologist and ask directly: do women who claim to do nfp have a higher occurrence of abortion?
Because there's a lot of lies that get told with how effective NFP is.
Because there's a lot of lies that get told with how effective NFP is.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:12 pm to Jenious
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During our pre-cana class, they had an anonymous question box and someone legit asked if blowjobs were a sin. The class teachers(married couple with 9 kids) said no but the male has to finish inside the wife
THIS is the class my wife and I should’ve taken.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:16 pm to evil cockroach
What does “fully natural” mean?
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:37 pm to Deuces
Yes.
Have used the Symptothermal method for years (which essentially has mucus-only method also built in to it). Wife struggled with remembering to take temp each morning, eventually started using a Tempdrop. The battery life was terrible after about a year, and we would lose data every few cycles.
Swapped over to Marquette method. Much easier for her to remember to pee on a stick each morning than log a temp.
2 little ones in 6 years. Both intentional. Understanding the methods can be quite difficult. I find Marquette to be easier to understand with far less “grey” area than some of the others. They all “require” a class to be used, and they’re usually $100-200 sadly, but they’re generally pretty effective if understood and followed.
Oddly, it’s one of the few places in life where people who opt for synthetic hormone treatments ridicule those who take the “natural” approach despite pretty decent evidence for both camps.
Have used the Symptothermal method for years (which essentially has mucus-only method also built in to it). Wife struggled with remembering to take temp each morning, eventually started using a Tempdrop. The battery life was terrible after about a year, and we would lose data every few cycles.
Swapped over to Marquette method. Much easier for her to remember to pee on a stick each morning than log a temp.
2 little ones in 6 years. Both intentional. Understanding the methods can be quite difficult. I find Marquette to be easier to understand with far less “grey” area than some of the others. They all “require” a class to be used, and they’re usually $100-200 sadly, but they’re generally pretty effective if understood and followed.
Oddly, it’s one of the few places in life where people who opt for synthetic hormone treatments ridicule those who take the “natural” approach despite pretty decent evidence for both camps.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:39 pm to Deuces
My sister in law used it. She has 5 kids. Not every woman has a regular cycle
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:05 pm to Deuces
We did NFP. Wife had to track her temperature daily like clockwork. It worked. Then we used it to get pregnant when we were ready, and first cycle we got pregnant.
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