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Your car is secretly spying on you and driving your insurance rates through the roof

Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:23 am
Posted by stout
Smoking Crack with Hunter Biden
Member since Sep 2006
167882 posts
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:23 am
It will soon be time to go the Cuba route and drive old cars until you can no longer find parts
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Drivers of cars manufactured by General Motors, Ford, Honda and other popular brands say that their insurance rates went up after the companies sent data about their driving behavior to issuers without their knowledge.

Kenn Dahl, 65, is a Seattle-area businessman who told The New York Times that his car insurance costs soared by 21% in 2022 after GM’s OnStar Smart Driver computerized system installed in his Chevy Bolt collected information about the particulars of his driving habits.

Dahl said that his insurance agent told him the price increase was based on data collected by LexisNexis, which compiled a report tracking each and every time he and his wife drove their Chevy Bolt over a six-month period.

According to Dahl, the 258-page report contained information about the start and end times of his trips, distance driven and other data detailing possible instances of speeding, hard braking and sharp accelerations.

The report contained information about one particular trip in June which lasted 18 minutes and spanned 7.33 miles

During that same trip, the LexisNexis report recorded two instances of rapid acceleration and two incidents of hard braking.

The LexisNexis report indicated that the details it had cobbled together were gleaned from the OnStar Smart Driver, the GM-owned subscription service that records driver information such as total miles driven, hard braking incident and other aspects of driver behavior.

According to its web site, OnStar Smart Driver “provides driving insights on how you can become a smarter, safer driver” while enabling users to “earn badges by completing challenges, build on streaks specific to different driving habits and view all your data in an intuitive dashboard.”

“It felt like a betrayal,” Dahl said. “They’re taking information that I didn’t realize was going to be shared and screwing with our insurance.”

It’s not just electric vehicle owners who are complaining.

A Cadillac driver based in Palm Beach County, Fla., told the Times that he is considering a lawsuit against GM after he was denied car insurance by seven different companies in December.

He said he is planning to sell his Cadillac and that he will never buy another GM-made car again.

The decision was based on a LexisNexis report which detailed six months of his driving behavior, including numerous instances of hard braking, hard accelerating and speeding.

“I don’t know the definition of hard brake. My passenger’s head isn’t hitting the dash,” the unnamed Cadillac driver, who like Dahl was enrolled in the OnStar Smart Driver subscription service, told the Times.

“Same with acceleration. I’m not peeling out. I’m not sure how the car defines that. I don’t feel I’m driving aggressively or dangerously.”

GM, whose portfolio of brands includes Chevy, GMC, Cadillac and Buick, isn’t the only car company that is gathering data through internet connectivity and then providing it to insurance companies.

Subaru, Mitsubishi, Honda, Kia and Hyundai also offer drivers the option of turning on similar features without them being aware that the data is being sold to brokers similar to LexisNexis.

Verisk said it has accessed driver data from millions of vehicles including those made by Ford, Honda and Hyundai.

A Ford spokesperson told the Times that the company “does not transmit any connected vehicle data to either partner” — a reference to Verisk and LexisNexis.

Ford will only share driver behavior data with an insurance company if the driver give explicit consent via an in-vehicle touch screen.

Kia, Mitsubishi, Hyundai, Honda and Acura enable drivers to turn off data collection relating to on-road behavior in their apps.




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This post was edited on 3/14/24 at 3:14 pm
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
35725 posts
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:25 am to
This explains how my agent knew I'd been jacking off on the interstate.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
425836 posts
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:25 am to
I believe this only happens if you agree to use the tech that can report it, so if you get a GM product, just don't pay for Onstar. Someone can correct me, but I think that is the gist.
Posted by HighRoller
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2011
4303 posts
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:29 am to
Again? This seems to happen a lot
Posted by chinhoyang
Member since Jun 2011
23791 posts
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:29 am to
I don't see the Hellcat drivers bitching about this.
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
9297 posts
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:30 am to
This does seem like complete BS and very arbitrary from the insurance company's POV. What if I break hard because a stroller rolled into the street? Does that make me a bad driver worthy of price hikes?

My main issue is that the report specifically pointed out a singular 18 minute trip. A person has one bad day or is running late once and its evidence they are always a bad driver?
Posted by Earnest_P
Member since Aug 2021
3636 posts
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:31 am to
That’s why I drive a Ram.
This post was edited on 3/14/24 at 8:32 am
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48699 posts
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:31 am to
I've known for years that my car is spying on me but what worries me now is that my TOASTER is spying on me.
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
14698 posts
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:34 am to
Sirius XM is a big culprit of this as well. They hide it as "marketing data" and package and sell it. There was a thread and report about it from the Mozilla Corp about privacy and vehicles.

It's also hard and sometimes impossible to opt out.
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
14234 posts
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:36 am to
Injury attorneys are the main reason for insurance cost increases. I hope I can win the La Lottery one day (ie get bumped by a WalMarks truck).
Posted by ChatGPT of LA
Member since Mar 2023
451 posts
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:50 am to
I have had state farm, and progressive, and gieco devices in my vehicle when insured with each. Monitoring cornering, braking, acceleration, speeding, and hand phone use....
I hated it until it changed my thinking and improved my driving habits...

Gives discounts for higher scores.
Posted by Macfly
BR & DS
Member since Jan 2016
8176 posts
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:52 am to
I wonder if there are enough older daily drivers that will make the government and insurance companies try to eliminate them. No CPU and no cell phone crimps their tracking efforts.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81952 posts
Posted on 3/14/24 at 9:00 am to
I do this voluntarily to get discounts.
Posted by statman34
Member since Feb 2011
2999 posts
Posted on 3/14/24 at 9:04 am to
State Farm is pushing this nonsense and saying that if you use it your rates will be lower. There is no way on God's green earth that I would voluntarily allow them to catalog driving data on anyone in my family and all of my cars are older so as of now, they cannot. I know its coming for everyone at some point, but man this is really shitty in a long line of shittiness
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
127261 posts
Posted on 3/14/24 at 9:04 am to
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secretly spying
That's not what the link you posted says.

The car owners paid for a subscription service which monitors and reports their driving habits.

Cancel the service and problem solved, right?
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
16640 posts
Posted on 3/14/24 at 9:09 am to
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A Cadillac driver based in Palm Beach County, Fla., told the Times that he is considering a lawsuit against GM after he was denied car insurance by seven different companies in December.

There is definitely more to the story than a few hard brakes, hard accelerations, and speeding here.
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
26712 posts
Posted on 3/14/24 at 9:22 am to
Not mine. 2011 Dodge Dakota truck. The only upgrade is leather seats.
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
84057 posts
Posted on 3/14/24 at 9:35 am to
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t will soon be time to go the Cuba route and drive old cars until you can no longer find parts


Wouldn’t do you any good as insurance companies are starting to require drivers to give permission for the company to track their driving habits via their cellphone
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32954 posts
Posted on 3/14/24 at 10:01 am to
I report the information to my insurance company, and it actually lowered my insurance by quite a bit. I work from home and my wife only works 3 miles from home, so we don't put a ton of miles on our vehicles. We also don't drive like assholes, so it works in our favor.
Posted by Tasseo
Member since Feb 2024
1121 posts
Posted on 3/14/24 at 10:24 am to
We need laws making data owned by the customer not by the companies collecting the data. Specific and clear permissions need to be given and able to retract that permission without penalty.

This kind of thing has been going on for over a decade now, and customers are being held hostage. It's only going to get worse as cars, thermostats, vacuums, appliances, etc etc get more and more IoT and telematic capabilities in them.
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