re: Shogun - Official Series Discussion Thread **Spoilers**

I can see why it’s rated so high with the liberals within the first 30 minutes

1. Men portrayed as untrustworthy brutes
2. White men are evil and conniving
3. Christians are portrayed as silly
4. The cross is stomped on
5. A woman put a man in his place
6. Really late term abortion

Just waiting on the gay scene

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I can see why it’s rated so high with the liberals within the first 30 minutes

1. Men portrayed as untrustworthy brutes
2. White men are evil and conniving
3. Christians are portrayed as silly
4. The cross is stomped on
5. A woman put a man in his place
6. Really late term abortion

Just waiting on the gay scene

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How can you be this miserable Everyone is enjoying the show, not just liberals. You just go through life looking for reasons to be pissed off.

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I can see why it’s rated so high with the liberals within the first 30 minutes

1. Men portrayed as untrustworthy brutes
2. White men are evil and conniving
3. Christians are portrayed as silly
4. The cross is stomped on
5. A woman put a man in his place
6. Really late term abortion

Just waiting on the gay scene

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It has been very true to the novel that was published in 1975.

1. Men portrayed as untrustworthy brutes--many nobles of this era betrayed one another as they tried to gain power; the samurai were often very brutish.
2. The seafaring white men of this era were often evil and conniving in their pursuit of riches at the expense of native peoples--just take a look at what was actually done in South America and China.
3. Christians are portrayed as silly--this is just wrong; the Japanese converts to Christianity are portrayed as courageous and devout; the Christian Europeans are also seen as being very devout if a bit fanatical.
4. The cross is stomped on--Blackthorne was trying to show the conflict and hatred between the Catholics and Protestants to show that the Portugese had an ulterior motive when claiming the Dutch were pirates that should be killed.
5. A woman put a man in his place--are you talking about Mariko chastising the husband concerning the killing of the baby because that is straight out of the book.
6. Really late term abortion--straight out of the book and hardly woke.

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It's darker than the original... as in the filming is less well-lit in places. I'm going on record here saying the original "looked better" in a lot of ways; but this isn't bad.

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this is an annoying trend with high definition cameras.

If you have a super nice TV you can see darker lit scenes but if you don’t you can’t see shite.

There was a whole episode of GOT I could barely see

And just to reinforce-

the new series seems very good, I'm enjoying it and will continue to watch.

But the original stands up great. I saw someone in a thread mention something about "effects"; it's Medieval Japan . There ARE no effects that would be outdated by modern CGI. It's scenery, costumes, swordplay and archery, and acting. All of which were top notch in the original.

The original's assassination attempt was better, in my opinion. That at least had a couple different weapons employed, throwing stars etc. In this, you have 1 woman with a knife, cutting a bunch of people's carotids.

I also liked the handling of seppuku better in the original.

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You are a miserable person. Get a fricking life

But great show so far. Really enjoying it. Have not read the book nor watched the original

Holy shite, just watched the 2 episodes. Absolutely incredible, but most people won't even realize how badass it is unless they understand what was going on with Catholics and Protestants during that time period.

If you want some entertaining background on that, read Ken Follett's "Kingsbridge" series.

I promise it will make this series even better, and you will also be more knowledgeable about "V for Vendetta".

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I have never read the book

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The book was one of my all time most enjoyable reads. Could not put it down despite the length. On par with Red Storm Rising and Lord of the Rings in scope and brilliance. It must have been an inspiration for George RR Martin's GoTs.