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re: Trey Holly posts about his innocence on IG
Posted on 2/18/24 at 8:37 am to ColdTurkey
Posted on 2/18/24 at 8:37 am to ColdTurkey
If you are from UP you know this is 99.99% unlikely. All local info is it’s clear he was there and involved turkey. Sucks but is what it is
Posted on 2/18/24 at 8:38 am to lsupride87
quote:
Also, only one of the shooting victims is in critical condition. The second victim was shot in the leg and is completely coherent and stable
So people thinking the cops are going rogue are a little foolish.
I don't think that, I think they are going by the info provided to them. The question of mistaken identity by an eyewitness is another matter entirely.
My hopes are primarily driven by my desire for LSU football to have the necessary running backs available. So I hope Holly's claim of innocence and mistaken identity are correct, I would not be surprised by any outcome here.
This post was edited on 2/18/24 at 9:43 am
Posted on 2/18/24 at 8:40 am to Geaux Guy
Davin white got off of a crime. People up here know the truth
Posted on 2/18/24 at 8:42 am to lsupride87
Allegedly three shooters shot up an apartment or shot people at an apartment complex, which Trey says is his home.
Regardless of his involvement, why would anyone be charged with attempted murder for defending his or her home against shooters? The only scenarios I could see would be shooting people in the back as they were fleeing or shooting people with no reasonable fear for your life.
But Trey says he wasn't involved whatsoever and was just there.
None of this story adds up.
quote:
The Union Parish Sheriff’s Office conducted an investigation of the scene and determined that three shooters were present firing multiple rounds. The investigation has also uncovered that the shooting was the result of earlier altercations at a local apartment complex.
Regardless of his involvement, why would anyone be charged with attempted murder for defending his or her home against shooters? The only scenarios I could see would be shooting people in the back as they were fleeing or shooting people with no reasonable fear for your life.
But Trey says he wasn't involved whatsoever and was just there.
None of this story adds up.
This post was edited on 2/18/24 at 8:43 am
Posted on 2/18/24 at 8:47 am to mdomingue
Man, even if he is innocent it would take a while for that to come through.
He has to be suspended the entire time this will go on if not just kicked off the team. Say it last until the fall, he misses spring and summer and likely can’t enroll in classes anyway.
He would be out almost a year with no access to college level training.
He has to be suspended the entire time this will go on if not just kicked off the team. Say it last until the fall, he misses spring and summer and likely can’t enroll in classes anyway.
He would be out almost a year with no access to college level training.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 8:47 am to The Pirate King
I mean it all adds up beside Holly saying he is innocent
This post was edited on 2/18/24 at 8:48 am
Posted on 2/18/24 at 8:50 am to Bottom9
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That said, not too many people happen to randomly be at a murder scene just randomly.
Everyone who lives at that apartment complex not involved in the shooting was randomly at the scene.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 8:55 am to Bottom9
Two of the victims were randomly at the crime scene and got shot. Pretty much every "in public" shooting has people randomly at the scene.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 8:56 am to Hurricane2020
99.99999999% of people will live their entire life and never have someone killed inside their home by someone other than themselves
I would say that is an extremely rare occurrence
I would say that is an extremely rare occurrence
Posted on 2/18/24 at 9:03 am to lsupride87
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and never have someone killed inside their home
Inside his home or at his apartment complex? Pretty big difference.
His claim of "no involvement at all" rather than self-defense is also interesting. I guess we'll see.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 9:14 am to MikeTheTiger71
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This post was edited on 3/3/24 at 9:59 am
Posted on 2/18/24 at 9:15 am to lsupride87
quote:man, you really want Trey Holly to be guilty. You're essentially calling him a liar and a murderer with your denying his claims. So, what's your motive here, a-hole?
lsupride87
You think football players are inherently evil and just love committing crimes and lying about it?
You think every black kid accused of something is guilty?
What's your angle? Because you sure as heck don't support "innocent until proven guilty". Sure doesn't seem like you think favorably, or optimistically, towards LSU athletes.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 9:25 am to hashtag
quote:My motive?
man, you really want Trey Holly to be guilty. You're essentially calling him a liar and a murderer with your denying his claims. So, what's your motive here, a-hole?
The person shot identified Holly. Other witnesses identified Holly
The ballistics of the weapon used belongs to Holly
That has nothing to do with “what I want”. I’m not a court of law. This message board isn’t a court of law. He will rightfully have his time there. That is what “innocent until proven guilty” pertains to. But the only reason anyone here is even holding on to his words right now is he plays for lsu.
Go compare this thread to that of the bama basketball player who had far less agaisnt him than Holly and compare it
This post was edited on 2/18/24 at 9:29 am
Posted on 2/18/24 at 9:26 am to Big4SALTbro
quote:
He has to be suspended the entire time this will go on if not just kicked off the team.
Not fact.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 9:31 am to BootUpCustoms
Dang that's a strong response.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 9:40 am to themunch
You think BK is going to not suspend a kid that is looking at attempted murder charges?
Posted on 2/18/24 at 9:40 am to BootUpCustoms
As a former homicide prosecutor who has taken many dozens of murder cases to the grand jury, I can make a few random observations:
1) The vast majority of homicide arrests we got ended up in some sort of conviction. Most murders are not well planned and typically involve someone who is drinking or drugging, people who dont cover their tracks very well. Most homicides are relatively easy to prove. Gunfight cases can be a bit harder if self defense is an issue.
2) An arrest is not an indictment. A DA cannot even charge a murder on his own, as he can with most cases. It must be brought to a grand jury. I saw a few cases, not many though, where the follow up investigation the DA did before presenting to a grand jury did not support an indictment and the charges were dropped.
3) I think most every defense atty and person charged with murder vehemently deny involvement or claim self defense. I invited every atty for someone charged with murder to testify in front of the grand jury considering their indictment. I don’t remember any doing so. I was always interested in any proof someone was innocent. Police and witnesses can make mistakes, or in some cases, lie. When you convict the wrong guy, two mistakes are made. An innocent person goes to jail while a bad guy walks. Despite what we see on many tv shows and such, most DAs, police, judges and jurors want bad guys in jail and innocent people set free.
4) Putting out a statement as Holly did was quite unusual in my experience. Its equally odd he states that he “cant give many details because its an ongoing investigation” but then goes on to give many very relevant details. This is very risky business for a defendant. When you declare you were not involved in any altercation at all, thats a critical detail. It removes a self defense argument if there was an altercation. One can hardly claim self defense if they were not in an altercation.
5) So, what details that would be important are left out of this statement? The first that jumps out at me is that there is a weapons charge involved. The statement is silent as to whether Holly has a gun or if his gun was involved somehow. Of course, there is no crime in owning a gun in La, but he is charged with illegal use of a weapon, why not explicitly deny that?
6) Putting out a statement such as this does make me question more if he might be wrongly charged just because if he is involved, issuing this statement is massively dumb for him or his atty. I have to assume his atty is involved in the statement.
7) And once he decides to give this statement, who says he cant go into more detail? It’s America, he can say all he wants. All that part means to me is that he is cherry picking info to hand out. I assume he knows what this shooting is about and who has accused him. If he has zero to do with anything, then why not disclose the other details? Of course there could be reasons not clear.
8) Black people, specifically young black men, can very much be at a disadvantage in our judicial system. I dont see any race issue in this case, however, in the limited facts we know. When I see anyone charged with murder of any race, I assume they probably did it. Thats just my experience, most murder arrests end up with a conviction. Odd that it sounds, I can assume someone is guilty yet still presume they are innocent. The presumption of innocence is a legal standard guaranteed by our constitution. When I read of Holly’s arrest, I thought he was probably involved. Thats my experience. It still has to be proved and if there is doubt, then he should be found not guilty. And to be clear, just because the police charge someone doesnt make them guilty. There were a handful of cases I saw where someone was charged and we chose not to indict because subsequent investigation did not support a charge.
9) If I were the DA, my door would be wide open to Holly and his atty. I don’t want to convict an innocent man, let’s talk about all the details. I all so don’t want to appear to favor an LSU football player. If I am going to not indict Holly, give me all you got so I can look like I made the right call.
10) Its a weird statement for sure, particularly “I was not involved in the incident at all. I was at home where the incident took place”. Yikes. All I get from this is that I know lots of stuff I am not telling. I can only hope it’s a typo, and he meant to say he was at home “when” it happened, not at home “where” it happened. Could an atty have actually proofed that and missed it? Could Holly have written this on his own? Strange stuff, either way. I am still strangely encouraged by the statement that maybe he is innocent. The only other conclusion I can reach is that he and his atty are complete fools for giving a statement if it cant be backed up 100 %.
1) The vast majority of homicide arrests we got ended up in some sort of conviction. Most murders are not well planned and typically involve someone who is drinking or drugging, people who dont cover their tracks very well. Most homicides are relatively easy to prove. Gunfight cases can be a bit harder if self defense is an issue.
2) An arrest is not an indictment. A DA cannot even charge a murder on his own, as he can with most cases. It must be brought to a grand jury. I saw a few cases, not many though, where the follow up investigation the DA did before presenting to a grand jury did not support an indictment and the charges were dropped.
3) I think most every defense atty and person charged with murder vehemently deny involvement or claim self defense. I invited every atty for someone charged with murder to testify in front of the grand jury considering their indictment. I don’t remember any doing so. I was always interested in any proof someone was innocent. Police and witnesses can make mistakes, or in some cases, lie. When you convict the wrong guy, two mistakes are made. An innocent person goes to jail while a bad guy walks. Despite what we see on many tv shows and such, most DAs, police, judges and jurors want bad guys in jail and innocent people set free.
4) Putting out a statement as Holly did was quite unusual in my experience. Its equally odd he states that he “cant give many details because its an ongoing investigation” but then goes on to give many very relevant details. This is very risky business for a defendant. When you declare you were not involved in any altercation at all, thats a critical detail. It removes a self defense argument if there was an altercation. One can hardly claim self defense if they were not in an altercation.
5) So, what details that would be important are left out of this statement? The first that jumps out at me is that there is a weapons charge involved. The statement is silent as to whether Holly has a gun or if his gun was involved somehow. Of course, there is no crime in owning a gun in La, but he is charged with illegal use of a weapon, why not explicitly deny that?
6) Putting out a statement such as this does make me question more if he might be wrongly charged just because if he is involved, issuing this statement is massively dumb for him or his atty. I have to assume his atty is involved in the statement.
7) And once he decides to give this statement, who says he cant go into more detail? It’s America, he can say all he wants. All that part means to me is that he is cherry picking info to hand out. I assume he knows what this shooting is about and who has accused him. If he has zero to do with anything, then why not disclose the other details? Of course there could be reasons not clear.
8) Black people, specifically young black men, can very much be at a disadvantage in our judicial system. I dont see any race issue in this case, however, in the limited facts we know. When I see anyone charged with murder of any race, I assume they probably did it. Thats just my experience, most murder arrests end up with a conviction. Odd that it sounds, I can assume someone is guilty yet still presume they are innocent. The presumption of innocence is a legal standard guaranteed by our constitution. When I read of Holly’s arrest, I thought he was probably involved. Thats my experience. It still has to be proved and if there is doubt, then he should be found not guilty. And to be clear, just because the police charge someone doesnt make them guilty. There were a handful of cases I saw where someone was charged and we chose not to indict because subsequent investigation did not support a charge.
9) If I were the DA, my door would be wide open to Holly and his atty. I don’t want to convict an innocent man, let’s talk about all the details. I all so don’t want to appear to favor an LSU football player. If I am going to not indict Holly, give me all you got so I can look like I made the right call.
10) Its a weird statement for sure, particularly “I was not involved in the incident at all. I was at home where the incident took place”. Yikes. All I get from this is that I know lots of stuff I am not telling. I can only hope it’s a typo, and he meant to say he was at home “when” it happened, not at home “where” it happened. Could an atty have actually proofed that and missed it? Could Holly have written this on his own? Strange stuff, either way. I am still strangely encouraged by the statement that maybe he is innocent. The only other conclusion I can reach is that he and his atty are complete fools for giving a statement if it cant be backed up 100 %.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 9:47 am to lsupride87
quote:
The person shot identified Holly. Other witnesses identified Holly
The ballistics of the weapon used belongs to Holly
Is that right? I have read any releases since the earliest one. DId it say all that? Have there been subsequent releases stating one of the weapons belonged to Trey Holly?
I am not trying to be obtuse, I legitimately do not know and would appreciate anything pointing me to that info if you can provide it rather than going down the Google rabbit hole.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 9:47 am to hashtag
I'm not going to act like Union parish PD is the FBI here but you don't put out an arrest warrant for 2nd degree murder off hear say.
It'll come out in trial but I don't think the odds are in his favor.
It'll come out in trial but I don't think the odds are in his favor.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 9:49 am to lsupride87
Are the witnesses jealous of Holly? He got out … NIL potential. Jealousy leads to lots of things ..
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