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re: Jennifer Crumbly (school shooter mom) verdict in: Guilty of involuntary manslaughter
Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:55 pm to Scooby
Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:55 pm to Scooby
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So I buy my son a truck. He has a mental break one day and drives through a parade route and kills people. I’m now liable for negligent homicide?
I suppose part of the reasoning for charging her, and not you in your example, is he was 16 at the time of the shooting. Does State law allow him to own the gun, or is it technically the parents gun? She also testified that she did not believe it was her responsibility to ensure the gun was properly stored and locked away, that was her husband's job. Those 2 facts could have been enough to have some jurors leaning towards a guilty verdict. Then add the fact that the school tried to get one of the parents to pick him up before the shooting, but she didn't have time for it and needed to go to work; that's pretty damning.
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Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:57 pm to IT_Dawg
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Parents and administrators decided the kid could stay at school that day.
they have the ultimate say in whether or not he could stay...anything happen to them?
Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:57 pm to IT_Dawg
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Parents and administrators decided the kid could stay at school that day.
So following the logic of the jury, seems the administrators should have some charges as well?
Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:59 pm to EmperorGout
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Well given that she bought him the gun, yes, yes we are
Wass it a criminal act merely for buying the gun for a minor?
Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:59 pm to Will Munny
This sets a scary precedent.
Clearly these parents are pieces of shite, but it's a dangerous road were going down here.
It also brings up the question, why are lil tay tays parents not held to the same standard?
Clearly these parents are pieces of shite, but it's a dangerous road were going down here.
It also brings up the question, why are lil tay tays parents not held to the same standard?
Posted on 2/6/24 at 1:00 pm to Topwater Trout
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they have the ultimate say in whether or not he could stay...anything happen to them?
Exactly. It’s why this is a crazy slippery slope. Charging someone with murder, when they knew absolutely nothing about the murder (nor committed any other crime resulting in a murder happening) is asking for trouble.
The administrators and school district are being sued by victims, but nothing by the DA
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 2/6/24 at 1:00 pm to IT_Dawg
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The parents went to school the morning of the shooting cause a he drew a disturbing picture of his gun and blood. Parents and administrators decided the kid could stay at school that day.
So, are the administrators going to be charged as well?
Posted on 2/6/24 at 1:01 pm to Jon A thon
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The video I've seen where they see him for the first time after is wild. He seems to have no remorse. And the parents are freaked out, but still not nearly to the level I'd be if my son did something like that. I think the mom even texted the dad when they found out the school was on lockdown and immediately said something along the lines of "he did it, he's the shooter".
Then, her and her husband went on the run for a couple days, resulting in a manhunt.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 1:06 pm to Will Munny
I watched every day of the trial and it was a nonsense case. The state presented no evidence of how Ethan obtained the gun that day or that it could be foreseen he would shoot up the school when they bought the gun to use at the shooting range. They mainly talked about Jennifer's affairs causing her to "ignore" her son and then appeals to emotion about the kids who were killed.
It's a novel use of the law to blame parents for the crime of their children because Michigan politicians hate guns and should make every parent afraid of being put on trial for the sins of their children.
It's a novel use of the law to blame parents for the crime of their children because Michigan politicians hate guns and should make every parent afraid of being put on trial for the sins of their children.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 1:08 pm to Oddibe
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You can’t be charged, but you can certainly be sued if the insurance is in your name.
Before this trial you wouldn't be but now this is going to happen more than you think.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 1:10 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Then, her and her husband went on the run for a couple days, resulting in a manhunt.
They never proved they "went on the run." Hell, they were found basically across the street from a police station. I would've left my home as well after that happened.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 1:11 pm to rented mule
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So, are the administrators going to be charged as well?
school and school staff was given immunity. which is total fricking bullshite. the guidance counselor sent him back to class
Posted on 2/6/24 at 1:13 pm to gmrkr5
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school and school staff was given immunity. which is total fricking bullshite. the guidance counselor sent him back to class
These people should be more responsible than the parents as far as I'm concerned. Failing this badly and being immune to consequences?
Any of the downvoters want to explain how the professionals that were responsible for keeping students safe and trained to evaluate students should get off scott free in this scenario given the facts?
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 2/6/24 at 1:13 pm to IT_Dawg
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Charging someone with murder,
To be fair, they didn't charge her with murder. They charged her with involuntary manslaughter.
Involuntary manslaughter typically refers to an unintentional homicide resulting from criminally negligent or reckless conduct. It can also refer to an unintentional killing through the commission of a crime other than a felony
So, their argument was that their conduct was negligent in the way they provided the firearm and failed to secure it. I'm not gonna argue it's right or wrong, just spelling it out.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 1:16 pm to Jon A thon
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failed to secure it.
They didn't come close to proving this.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 1:17 pm to Will Munny
Posted on 2/6/24 at 1:18 pm to MFn GIMP
quote:well it wasn't very secure if Ethan took it to school and killed 4 people with it..sounds like the opposite of secure.
They didn't come close to proving this.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 1:19 pm to MFn GIMP
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They didn't come close to proving this
Is it true that he wrote in his journal the day before "I have access to the gun and ammo. I'm going to shoot up the school"?
Posted on 2/6/24 at 1:21 pm to Will Munny
Very fricked up story obviously, and the parents come across as very shitty people, but I'm not sure I like this result
Posted on 2/6/24 at 1:22 pm to Will Munny
They have sent a messsge to parents to pay more attention to you kids….
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