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re: CDC — ‘We didn’t issue alert on Vaccine Myocarditis because we didn’t want to cause panic'

Posted on 1/28/24 at 10:07 am to
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36386 posts
Posted on 1/28/24 at 10:07 am to
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Question…what if you were mislead?


In a way that doesn’t appear on lab work? I mean, inconsistencies usually reveal themselves when you have more information to work from.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
18079 posts
Posted on 1/28/24 at 10:14 am to
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You aren't really doing very much questioning if you are parroting the takes of people who are just saying things to take advantage of you.



You certainly will get little argument from me on that point.




Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124345 posts
Posted on 1/28/24 at 10:38 am to
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I mean, it isn't an either/or scenario.
Unfortunately, given ANY premise of Vaccine Myocarditis, it actually is.
Posted by LSUAngelHere1
Watson
Member since Jan 2018
8262 posts
Posted on 1/28/24 at 10:54 am to
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What? This is the most fundamental aspect of taking a history. A patient comes in and you ask what the reason for their visit is and they usually reply with whatever the reason is. And then you can ask when did the issue start and sometimes they are vague and sometimes they are direct, but in none of those times have they said the 'vaccine' was the proximate cause. Do you want me to put into their heads that the vaccine could have caused something?

This is exactly the problem & the reason my sister left the cardiovascular group she had been with.

They were getting so many otherwise healthy people who had been sent to them bc of elevated D Dimer levels. The Drs would act so confused and never once bothered to ask patients if/when they got the covid shot.

She started asking patients herself and most would tell her yes, they did and they just got a booster 2 weeks ago.

Doctors knew what was going on but did not ask the question bc they didn’t want to know!

Don’t ask, don’t tell is NOT what a good Doctor practices!
This post was edited on 1/28/24 at 11:01 am
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111701 posts
Posted on 1/28/24 at 10:57 am to
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just an interesting factoid


That the medical community assured us was impossible.
Posted by burke985
UGANDA
Member since Aug 2011
24747 posts
Posted on 1/28/24 at 10:59 am to
Time to fire up the lawsuit machine
Posted by LSUAngelHere1
Watson
Member since Jan 2018
8262 posts
Posted on 1/28/24 at 10:59 am to
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Well, generally, the whole clinical picture of a patient, with all their lab work, combined with their symptoms and their history, doesn't tend to lie. Which is my point.

And the Dr doesn’t have to lie if he simply doesn’t ask if they got shot/booster.

Just play stupid, act confused and run some tests… pretend you know their history even though you don’t bother to ask the right questions.

And we wonder why so many took forever to connect the dots.
This post was edited on 1/28/24 at 11:02 am
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36386 posts
Posted on 1/28/24 at 11:07 am to
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Just play stupid, act confused and run some tests… pretend you know their history even though you don’t bother to ask the right questions.


Except we do ask. Try again.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34725 posts
Posted on 1/28/24 at 11:42 am to
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In a way that doesn’t appear on lab work? I mean, inconsistencies usually reveal themselves when you have more information to work from.


So lab work excluded the possibility of cardiac events from being vaccine related?

Serious question, what labs have you ordered that would exclude the presence of the spike protein?

This isn’t my realm, but as you know, I have only interacted via legit dialogue (not shot posting), so my question isn’t meant to derail.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34725 posts
Posted on 1/28/24 at 11:44 am to
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In a way that doesn’t appear on lab work? I mean, inconsistencies usually reveal themselves when you have more information to work from.


So further study isn’t warranted.

Isn’t that a rather convenient situation based on arbitrary opinion?

That only magnifies my distrust.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25416 posts
Posted on 1/28/24 at 11:45 am to
How can doctors do their job when they are handicapped with information like this? How can patients make informed decisions?

Do these regulators and public health experts realize how they’ve pissed away their brand and credibility in the past few years?
Posted by LSUAngelHere1
Watson
Member since Jan 2018
8262 posts
Posted on 1/28/24 at 11:50 am to
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Except we do ask. Try again.

No, you admitted yourself that you don’t want to put that in their head.
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In other words, the words 'after the vaccine' haven't been uttered by a patient, to me specifically, as the proximate cause of their symptoms. Do you want me to suggest the vaccine as a possible etiology of their symptoms for every visit or something?

Many patients didn’t go in saying, “Btw, I got the covid vaccine.” bc their Dr assured them it was safe and effective. I had never heard of d dimer levels until my sister told me what they were seeing.

You as the Dr, start having a new patient load of younger people being referred to you bc of elevated d dimer levels or perhaps other heart issues.

The only thing that has changed in the previous year was the roll out the covid shots/boosters but you don’t bother to ask bc you don’t want to put it in their head!

quote:

A patient comes in and you ask what the reason for their visit is and they usually reply with whatever the reason is. And then you can ask when did the issue start and sometimes they are vague and sometimes they are direct, but in none of those times have they said the 'vaccine' was the proximate cause. Do you want me to put into their heads that the vaccine could have caused something?


When an influx of new patients start telling Drs, “My PCP/the hospital referred me to you bc of my d dimer level.”, you and most all doctors pretended it was an isolated incident instead of sounding the alarm! Funny how many nurses and a few courageous doctors saw the pattern while the majority didn’t want to rock the boat or worried more about having been so terribly wrong so you dig your heels in and continue lying to the public. This new patient load presenting with the same symptoms is something the practice has never seen before and the only thing that has changed was the roll out of the damn shot.

This tells us that the medical community is stupid as fk or evil. Either way, the public is screwed.

Like my sister said about the Drs in their group (minus one who left the practice as well)… that’s fricked up!

This post was edited on 1/28/24 at 11:52 am
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
18079 posts
Posted on 1/28/24 at 1:00 pm to
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This isn’t my realm, but as you know, I have only interacted via legit dialogue (not shot posting), so my question isn’t meant to derail.



I dare say when discussing virology, very few people on this board can claim expertise on that matter. That is why crazy is eager to turn threads such as this into a discussion of say, genomic sequencing or myocarditis pathology, instead of the political ideology that undergirds every aspect of the government’s approach to the virus.

crazy then can display his ability to discuss such matters with some authority and thus demonstrate that his arguments are based not on politics but on science. The problem here is that when discussing COVID-1984, it is foremost a discussion about political ideology rather than science.

Now, it is not my goal here to disparage or even question crazy’s proclaimed knowledge on such matters. Rather, the point here is that any discussion about COVID-1984 that does not acknowledge the incessant propaganda and lies put forth by corrupt players deeply embedded in our nation’s public health apparatus is a bad faith discussion.



This post was edited on 1/28/24 at 6:57 pm
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
69074 posts
Posted on 1/28/24 at 1:25 pm to
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That isn't an argument in terms of 'something more at play.' quote: Or the retarded notion that someone who dies WITH Covid died FROM Covid There's a massive problem with this reference, and you guys will never see it. It is amazing you continue to retreat to it. I mean, yeah, I expected this kind of retarded from you.



Here you are denying this.

But it was exactly what was happening.


quote:

Last April, Deborah Birx, MD, coordinator of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, said this when asked about people who have COVID-19 but die from preexisting conditions: “If someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.” That statement, combined with some state health officials saying they follow the same policy, sparked charges that the COVID-19 totals were inflated by deaths from other diseases and even auto accidents if the victims happened to have COVID-19. Federal and state governments gradually altered such policies over the spring and summer to say that in order for a death to be counted as a COVID-19 death, the disease had to have played a role.


How can I trust a doctor that would call me retarded for telling the truth?

Even some of the people that died from covid complications were terminally ill patients.

The medical community fricked up big time. Instead of lashing out at your customers, maybe just do better?


This post was edited on 1/28/24 at 1:41 pm
Posted by JCinBAMA
North of Huntsville
Member since Oct 2009
17588 posts
Posted on 1/28/24 at 1:35 pm to
We try to warn...

Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124345 posts
Posted on 1/28/24 at 2:06 pm to
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I dare say when discussing virology, very few people on this board can claim expertise on that matter.
Meh, expertise is only as valuable as the veracity backing it.
For example, BamaAtl could certainly claim expertise discussing virology. Yet, given his track record, one would have to be quite a fool to take his word for anything, including virology.

Some of our medical discussions here do warrant technical discussion. e.g., In terms of viral origins, and human ACE2 receptor affinity, the evolutionary likelihood of RBM region sequencing on SARS-CoV-2 S1 subunits.

But, in a thread where bright folks without a medical background are interfacing, medical folks should always be able to then translate the discussion into layman's terms. When you see the opposite occurring, your BS sensor antennas should go up.
This post was edited on 1/28/24 at 2:16 pm
Posted by Hognutz
Member since Sep 2018
1451 posts
Posted on 1/28/24 at 2:27 pm to
Most people assume they sequenced SARS-CoV-2 from an isolated sample. They did not, same with SARS-CoV-1 or any other supposed viruses. It's all bs, all of it.


Q. Exactly how small is a virus?

A. Tiny. Even with a regular microscope, you can’t see a virus. 100 million viral particles of the novel coronavirus, can fit on a pinhead. That’s how incredibly small they are

- Professor Peter Piot, a world-leading virologist and the director of the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine



Not even enough virus to see or isolate without "growing more in a culture" but wear a mask. This is so f-n stupid it boggles the mind.
This post was edited on 1/28/24 at 3:42 pm
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
147665 posts
Posted on 1/28/24 at 2:41 pm to
I wish Tiguar would return to posting. He was wished death and left this forum. Can't blame him, really.

Some people here also get way too personal and dox people or try to or lie about a successful dox. Or.... accuse others of calling their wife.

Some posted trixie pixie young girls and got runnded ofted.

Some of the primary trollers got weird with personal flaming. Off the deep end weird. Makes you wonder if they all came from DU, c;loset neverTrumper neocons feigning moderacy? Because they are way worse than the Cruz Crew was...

Iosh Loshie was doxed off this forum.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34725 posts
Posted on 1/28/24 at 5:36 pm to
And…he’s gone.
Posted by Jrv2damac
Kanorado
Member since Mar 2004
65587 posts
Posted on 1/28/24 at 6:44 pm to
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El Segundo Guy


He’s gonna be the nominee, fig.

Get over it.

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