re: CDC — ‘We didn’t issue alert on Vaccine Myocarditis because we didn’t want to cause panic'

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From a strict epidemiological perspective, the lack of vision, the inconsistency of execution, the randomness of information distribution, and the curious disease control strategies are the areas where public health authorities failed so badly that I'm not surprised that no one would believe them.

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Fair enough.

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That somehow I've become a representative of these viewpoints while ignoring the actual content of my posts is another matter.

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The issue as I see it is that people have taken your requests for definitive proof (which, by the way, I provided) as you defending the vaccines themselves.

From there it devolved into personal attacks.

Nonetheless, it would seem as though these vaccines have issues, and some of them (myocarditis) are quite serious.

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The issue as I see it is that people have taken your requests for definitive proof (which, by the way, I provided) as you defending the vaccines themselves.

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That's not really a good excuse to misrepresent what I said or all the weird stuff people made up.

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Nonetheless, it would seem as though these vaccines have issues, and some of them (myocarditis) are quite serious.

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I mean, myocarditis is generally self-limited and is really only serious if it progresses. But the reality is that it is an overall rare sequalae, rare enough that it is absolutely a unicorn in the differential. More importantly, patients themselves don't endorse the vaccine as a cause of any of their issues. If that isn't the ultimate test, then what is?

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This is literally an admission of what the Medical Community did in regards to Covid protocols/mandates/progaganda from the urging of their overlords at the WHO/CDC/AMA/MEDIA/CHICOMS/DEMOCRATPARTY....

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So you were being taken advantage of by two parties, by both extremes, and somehow the person telling you that these other people were lying to you is responsible for the first group of people lying to you?

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you are parroting the takes of people who are just saying things to take advantage of you.

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Like antiscience political partisans or individuals making claims based on personal interests at the NIH and CDC?

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Like antiscience political partisans or individuals making claims based on personal interests at the NIH and CDC?

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I mean, it isn't an either/or scenario. The latter is obviously worse, but it doesn't mean we should allow the former.

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What? This is the most fundamental aspect of taking a history. A patient comes in and you ask what the reason for their visit is and they usually reply with whatever the reason is.

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Yes.

If their finger is broken, and you say, “What happened?”

And they respond, I hit it with a hammer…well okay then.

Perhaps they have a cold and they were outside in the cold…etc.

Claiming that the vaccine caused their heart issue / cancer etc?

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Claiming that the vaccine caused their heart issue / cancer etc?

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Yes that is absolutely insane. Again, since you are the one claiming it 'could' be the cause, you have to provide more than just throwing it out into the ether as a possible cause. Give me a specific symptomology, a clinical presentation, characteristic lab values, or something, because otherwise, this isn't the way medicine operates.

You seemingly want to apply the 2020 method of 'everything is COVID' now to the vaccine with even less evidence.

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Look, I’m not claiming that the vaccines “cause” anything in particular, but spike protein being produced months after the injection, and at locations other than the injection site seems to be something other than what was originally purported - no??

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Sure it can indicate something, but without something specific resulting from it, it's hard to link it to anything. If, for example, there was immune complex deposition in the basement membrane of glomerular tissue akin to nephritic syndrome with evidence of the spike protein or spike protein degradation byproducts, that would produce a specific set of symptoms that would be reproducible across different population cohorts. Generally, COVID itself seems to provoke immune overreaction, and the vaccine seems to follows the same pattern, thus you will see lymphocytic infiltration of tissues, which can be a mechanism of both sudden death (as in causing arrhythmias if in heart tissue) and things like inflammation of said tissue (as in myocarditis) or autoimmune sequalae. I won't ever deny that further study is needed, but at some point when you put a clinical picture together, you order what is occurring from most likely to least likely. Unless the disease in question is serious, most people and insurances aren't really interested in paying for more detailed testing to chase zebra causes of disease. They would rather feel better.

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My point was straight forward.

I no longer trust the medical “industry.”

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Well, generally, the whole clinical picture of a patient, with all their lab work, combined with their symptoms and their history, doesn't tend to lie. Which is my point.

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Well, generally, the whole clinical picture of a patient, with all their lab work, combined with their symptoms and their history, doesn't tend to lie. Which is my point.

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Cool, provided are operating from an informed starting point.

Question…what if you were mislead?