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re: Baldwin charged again
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:36 pm to lsuconnman
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:36 pm to lsuconnman
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Certainly everyone ensures their children clear their nerf guns and super soakers before filming YouTube videos. But just in case they don’t, they hire armorers to be certain someone didn’t paint an AR-15 to look like a prop.
No man. Baldwin broke MULTIPLE SOP's here. Major Standard Operating Procedures for safety were not followed.
If I told my kid that he could have a nerf gun battle with his friend in his backyard and backyard only, and he shot a dart over the fence then that shite happens.
If I told my kid he could not have a nerf gun battle inside of his grandmothers house where she has breakabable china, and he proceeds to break something with his nerf gun. He's guilty AF
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:39 pm to baldona
What's not understood, is the gun being loaded is only one part of the issue here.
Yes, conceivably Baldwin is not guilty for that.
But the gun was NEVER supposed to be fired AT someone. Baldwin did that, and that's the issue.
Then to compound that, he hired a shite company to save money to be the armorer and allowed multiple other events to happen that led to the gun being left loaded with a live round.
Then he pulled the trigger and shot AT someone.
Yes, conceivably Baldwin is not guilty for that.
But the gun was NEVER supposed to be fired AT someone. Baldwin did that, and that's the issue.
Then to compound that, he hired a shite company to save money to be the armorer and allowed multiple other events to happen that led to the gun being left loaded with a live round.
Then he pulled the trigger and shot AT someone.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:40 pm to lsupride87
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every actor needs to check
The difference here being that Baldwin was a producer of the movie and making on-site decisions that preceded the accident. Further, he allegedly refused training in some of the gun handling procedures he was set to perform.
Then coming out and declaring that he did not even pull the trigger, I just don't buy it. Yes, that is my opinion and not fact but those are the reasons people think he is a dickhead in this situation.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:41 pm to baldona
The gun being loaded is absolutely THE ISSUE
Actors have an absolute reasonable expectation that guns on set are not live ready to fire unless EXPLICITLY told so
Actors have an absolute reasonable expectation that guns on set are not live ready to fire unless EXPLICITLY told so
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:42 pm to lsupride87
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lsupride87
Look it’s the OT’s favorite dollar general faux lawyer
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:42 pm to lsuconnman
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This is where the thread always goes off the rails, and all the hunters chime in about always treating anything that looks like a gun as if it’s loaded.
Certainly everyone ensures their children clear their nerf guns and super soakers before filming YouTube videos. But just in case they don’t, they hire armorers to be certain someone didn’t paint an AR-15 to look like a prop.
But, just in case that scenario exists, there should be another layer that ensures someone who painted the rifle for YT videos wasn’t letting their friends load it with live ammo to shoot targets after hours.
There comes a point where so many people are responsible for an action that nobody is.
Nah, it's a pretty simple concept. Don't point a loaded weapon at a person and pull the trigger. It wasn't a "prop" gun, it was a real weapon. It doesn't matter who loaded it, or what it was loaded with. They weren't filming or rehearsing a scene, he pointed a loaded gun at the cinematographer and pulled the trigger. The action that caused her death is his responsibility, and his alone.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:44 pm to lsupride87
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The gun being loaded is absolutely THE ISSUE
Actors have an absolute reasonable expectation that guns on set are not live ready to fire unless EXPLICITLY told so
Sure, lets go with that.
How do you explain away the fact that he should have never fired it AT someone? That he was a producer, knew that very well, and still continued to do so?
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:45 pm to baldona
That was also debunked. Guns are often fired AT people in movies.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:46 pm to lsupride87
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The gun being loaded is absolutely THE ISSUE
Actors have an absolute reasonable expectation that guns on set are not live ready to fire unless EXPLICITLY told so
You always treat a gun as if it's loaded. Period.
Everyone who handles firearms are supposed to know this.
If you don't know how to treat a firearm, you have no business touching one.
That's on him.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:47 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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They weren't filming or rehearsing a scene
He just randomly did this? wtf
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:52 pm to lsupride87
Pride, there's a yuuuuuge difference in your strained comparison. The actor on top of the building pushing the other actor AT NO TIME handles the airbag several stories below. Alec Baldwin had the gun in his hand. Even you who will argue for 15 pages on the most arcane or nonsensical point have to concede that.
Oh, and while not germane to the criminal proceedings, Baldwin was the producer of this film. He had a hand in hiring that bimbette who was the gun wrangler. He's massively liable in that regard.
Oh, and while not germane to the criminal proceedings, Baldwin was the producer of this film. He had a hand in hiring that bimbette who was the gun wrangler. He's massively liable in that regard.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:56 pm to lsupride87
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That was also debunked. Guns are often fired AT people in movies.
When these guys are shooting automatic weapons I'm sure it happens on occasion. But from everything I've seen this is patently false, that they absolutely use angles.
Are you going to let Alec Baldwin fire a blank at you? Frick that, what actor or cameraman is going to do that? Its just absolutely stupid
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:58 pm to baldona
Thats why an armorer is hired. Who had the easiest fricking job in the world. Just don’t put a live fricking gun on the set
That’s their actually job. Their responsibility. Which they are PAID to do
That’s their actually job. Their responsibility. Which they are PAID to do
This post was edited on 1/19/24 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 1/19/24 at 4:08 pm to lsupride87
Almost as easy of a job as not pulling the trigger aimed at someone?
Posted on 1/19/24 at 4:15 pm to lsupride87
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Thats why an armorer is hired. Who had the easiest fricking job in the world. Just don’t put a live fricking gun on the set That’s their actually job. Their responsibility. Which they are PAID to do
Give it up. Baldwin is a libtard that portrayed Trump on SNL so he is guilty AF in this echo chamber.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 4:21 pm to lsupride87
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They were rehearsing.
They were at rehearsal. They were not rehearsing a scene. What part of the script called for him to point the gun at the cinematographer?
Posted on 1/19/24 at 4:24 pm to PNW_TigerSaint
Baldwin is a White Progressive, therefore, untouchable.
He and his ilk LOVE to chastise their enemies about privilege. He will use that exact privilege to get off (again).
He and his ilk LOVE to chastise their enemies about privilege. He will use that exact privilege to get off (again).
Posted on 1/19/24 at 4:25 pm to lsupride87
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Explain how a rehearsal vs a take makes any difference here? You 100% are out for political blood Your opinion on this means every actor needs to check air bags, safety ropes, gun props, etc anytime before they do a stunt scene with another actor. It’s a joke and you 100% know it Alex Baldwin is 100% an assclown but you aren’t using logical or fair judgement at all
A movie set does not exclude someone from the laws of the jurisdiction that the set operates in. Here’s what the state needs to prove Baldwin guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of involuntary manslaughter:
1. Baldwin performed an act that could result in the death of someone ( he pointed a gun at someone with his finger on the trigger.)
2. Baldwin KNEW that his actions are inherently dangerous
3. Baldwin acted with a willful disregard of others
4. His act caused the death of someone
5. The crime happened in New Mexico
Points 1, 4, and 5 are slam dunks for the state - I don’t think there’s any disagreement between parties on those points.
Point 2 Baldwin will try to fight, but he’s not credible - already admitted in an interview that he would never point a loaded gun at someone. Also, he’s a gun control advocate and his dad was shooting instructor. Not many people can plead ignorance that a gun is an inherently dangerous object and extraordinary care must be taken when handling
Point 3 is where the legal battle will be. We already know Baldwin is trying to blame the prop masters, but the state has a lot of ammo with him being the producer, how he was going ad hoc without the armorer present, not taking other precautions such as remote cameras or shields to protect the woman killed. I’m sure the state will call actors/witnesses that detail how these things happened in Baldwin’s other movies.
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Posted on 1/19/24 at 4:31 pm to BradBallard
Baldwin continues to claim that "the gun just went off". He won't even admit to pulling the trigger. I suppose for civil liablity reasons. Its not like he claims he just is a shitty shot or that the armorer was at fault.
If he would have just owned up to this and plead it out, its all behind him already with likely just a fine and community service basically.
Instead, he continues to be a complete entitled douche.
So frick him.
If he would have just owned up to this and plead it out, its all behind him already with likely just a fine and community service basically.
Instead, he continues to be a complete entitled douche.
So frick him.
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