re: Baldwin charged again

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Who said there were any spent rounds in the cylinder? They all could have been live, unspent, rounds which would make this a moot point.

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It wouldn't matter, even if the pistol was full of live rounds.
Until the hammer is fully cocked, no round would be in position for the firing pin to strike the primer and as already has been mentioned, without pulling the trigger, the hammer can't strike the firing pin anyway.

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Can't speak for others, but Baldwin's complete lack of ownership for his role in this death rubbed me the wrong way.

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With pending lawsuits and charges, it’s hard to publicly own something before it’s resolved

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Didn’t his 2nd director supposedly check gun as well and told everyone it was “cold” or whatever term they use? I have not paid attention to the more recent factual updates, but I thought I remember members of the cast & crew using the guns for target practices. I would like to find out what added procedures they were supposed to have in place for using real guns that are at times also being used to fire real ammo by actors & crew when gun not used in scenes.

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The problem is live rounds shouldn’t have been anywhere near set, yet alone having the guns flip flopped between props and people allegedly messing around with live fire during off time.

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The problem is live rounds shouldn’t have been anywhere near set, yet alone having the guns flip flopped between props and people allegedly messing around with live fire during off time.

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And because of this, he doesn’t need to be the only person charged.

Too bad there wasn’t a good guy with a gun on that set to take out Baldwin on his killing spree.

I’d be smoking some Marlboro’s

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Why do we hate this guy? Is he a nasty liberal or something?

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I don't hate the guy. He's extremely talented: Glengarry Glen Ross, Canteen Boy...

That said, I think he hates me. Any time someone perpetrates a conspicuous act of gun violence, he blames me for something I have in my closet that I take out maybe twice a year to punch holes in paper. He knows he can't legally take it away from me, so he advocates for laws that will just sort of make it look stupid and humiliating. Google "California legal AK" and you'll see what I mean.

It doesn't matter that the people who perpetrate these acts are nothing like me:

The closet homosexual Muslim who shot up a gay nightclub out of self-loathing

The crazy young lesbian abusing testosterone who shot people at a Christian school

The longtime government accountant who (gosh, damnedest thing!) just went haywire one day on a Country music festival, "For No Reason At All"

The half-Asian child of Hollywood elites who shot frat boys with a Sig from the safety of the BMW his parents bought him

The thousands of shiftless black men who mill around gas stations all day armed, with predictable results

Nope, Baldwin doesn't talk about those people. Unlike me, he doesn't want them scared back into the recesses at the periphery of civilized society where they belong. No, he says the problem is this suburban homeowner with a job, who votes and keeps his yard clean.

Or maybe Baldwin just hates me and the gun thing was all a ruse. I'm gonna go with that explanation... in light of, you know, the shooting and all that .

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Wouldn’t the gun be the responsibility of the prop department?

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It is the responsibility of everyone who handles a firearm to check the status of it.
It doesn't take more than 2 seconds to do that.
Even when I'm gun shopping and the guy checks a gun before he hands it to me and I see him do it, the first thing I do is check it again.

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Wouldn’t the gun be the responsibility of the prop department?

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It is the responsibility of everyone who handles a firearm to check the status of it.
It doesn't take more than 2 seconds to do that.
Even when I'm gun shopping and the guy checks a gun before he hands it to me and I see him do it, the first thing I do is check it again.

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What I understand is that it's the movie industry protocol to defer to the armorer.

The issue at play is that there is/may be a whole lot of people who might handle said gun/prop, and you can not rely on their experience or training. Therefore, the armorer is God, and you follow their commands to the letter. If they hand you a prop, you don't frick with it. That includes press-checking, opening the cylinder, dropping the mag, etc. THEY can do that, they can tell you to do that, but you don't do it without permission.
Because they don't want to hand you a prop, turn away from you to hand another out, and suddenly you're fricking around with it without eyes on you.

If you disagree with that, if you will check it if handed one anyway on set, consider a moment if you are the armorer instead of the actor. You have assured the gun is clear, handed it to him, turned away to the next person, and suddenly you hear racking or cylinder spinning.
You would then turn around and take it from them, and in no uncertain words say "do not ever do that again" before you hand it back to them, after confirming they didn't load it or something. It doesn't matter if the person is a former SEAL, or a 10 yr old kid who's never seen a live gun- you treat everyone the same way. You have to, because it's your job/career/livelihood on the line.

So in that setting, you have Baldwin, who's made a lot of big budget films, and used to following the (competent) armorer's direction. Has done so for 3 decades. As *ACTOR*, he doesn't know (for sure) if it's even a real gun, or a well-made prop piece. He is (should be) operating on the understanding that the armorer is doing their job, and not handing out live loaded guns, live grenades, real sticks of dynamite, vials of nerve gas, cyanide laced gum etc. Or maybe as an example, when handling a plunger, it isn't "really" going to set off a bunch of explosives and blow the bridge or whatever. Even if said plunger does have wires running over to the bridge, and you know at some point the bridge actually WILL be blown as a 'real' effect.

That's what's supposed to be going on, at least.