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Posted on 1/9/24 at 1:23 pm to bgtiger
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and Ensminger was here and didn’t have 2019 success.
You really don't have any clue of Ensminger's offense prior to 2019, do you?
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When Ensminger took over play-calling duties in 2016 for the Tigers, LSU’s offense had been stagnant, scoring only nine touchdowns and averaging 18 points and 339.5 total yards per game through four games. In eight games under Ensminger that year, LSU improved drastically in every offensive category as the Tigers averaged 32 points and 464.9 total yards per contest during that span. LSU scored 38 or more points five times under Ensminger, including 54 in a win over Texas A&M and 38 against both Arkansas and Ole Miss. The Tigers averaged 7.1 yards per play and converted 46-of-102 third-down opportunities during that eight-game stretch.
Also under Ensminger, LSU’s 2016 offense set then school records for yards in a SEC game (634 vs. Missouri), single-game rushing yards by an individual (284 by Leonard Fournette vs. Ole Miss, 285 by Derrius Guice vs. Texas A&M), longest run from scrimmage (96 yards by Derrius Guice vs. Arkansas) and time of possession (42:33 vs. Missouri).
Individually, Ensminger’s offense produced a pair of all-America selections in center Ethan Pocic and Guice at running back. Pocic was a finalist for the Remington Award as the nation’s top center, while Guice rushed for 1,387 yards and 15 touchdowns and eclipsed the 200-yard rushing mark twice.
Everyone wants to give Brady all the credit, but Ensminger played a large part in our offensive success in 2019.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 1:27 pm to bgtiger
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Because Orgeron wasn’t an offensive coach and Ensminger was here and didn’t have 2019 success.
Why does it have to be an either or? Both Ensminger and Brady contributed a lot to the success of the offense. Steve wasn't just sitting there while Joe Brady ran the whole thing
Posted on 1/9/24 at 1:41 pm to LsuNav
quote:one big factor is that Ensminger had Burrow, Jefferson, Chase, Helaire, and the Oline in 2018 and did little with it.
Why is Joe Brady given credit for the 2019 offense
Brady came in 2019 and that same talent exploded.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 1:52 pm to LsuNav
There’s no comparison for the 2019 Team. The best we’ll see for a long time.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 1:53 pm to atltiger6487
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Brady came in 2019 and that same talent exploded.
Part of what happened tho. To be fair to Slinger, that talent got better year to year. Brady brought a great scheme and insight into Wr room that also accomplished that. Thats also on players putting in work. Slinger asked to bring him in tho. It’s on everyone on offense.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 1:54 pm to LsuNav
Brady's offense worked because he had Joe Burrow. It was an NFL scheme that few college QB's could run. Brady wouldn't have had the same success in college without a QB like Burrow. It's probably why he bolted to the NFL right away.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:02 pm to Penrod
Lol did you just really call Ensminger a superb technician? If he was such a superb technician like you stated then why was LSU the only program to offer him the OC position ??
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:08 pm to SJHTIGER
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That statement is laughable at best and debatable at worst. I understand they won the award for it that year but I will always say they weren't that great
They sure fooled the NFL teams. A bunch of those teams drafted them and continue to play them. No other LSU offensive line in history has had this kind of production in the NFL.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:58 pm to Brazos
quote:Ensminger reportedly backed off for quality of life issues. Also, I specified technician and not strategist. The OC should bring both to the table. I believe that Ensminger was exemplary at breaking down opponents and planning to attack them with a conventional offense. He was not imaginative nor up to date. He was a great technician, though. Or tactician if you'd prefer.
then why was LSU the only program to offer him the OC position ??
Posted on 1/9/24 at 3:05 pm to The Pirate King
I was just explaining why I think people feel that way about Brady. I completely understand that it took a lot of things to come together just right to create one of the greatest offenses of all time. Not just Orgeron. Not just Burrow. Not just the WR corps. Not just the OLine. Not just Ensminger. Not just Brady.
My opinion is that it is best to celebrate that team as a whole because they were all Tigers and brought us that magical year… together.
My opinion is that it is best to celebrate that team as a whole because they were all Tigers and brought us that magical year… together.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 3:09 pm to CatfishJohn
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I think just keeping Aranda makes 2020 entirely different. The adult in the room left.
Aranda was the head coach for LSU in 2019. He organized the staff, practices, etc. It was the terms of him staying when A&M pursued him. Orgeron was a figure head like the King of England. Once Aranda left Orgeron had no one to actually run the program.
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 1/9/24 at 3:34 pm to LsuNav
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Denbrock isn’t given credit for the 2023 offense? Many posters want Brady back but few care that Mike left. Why is that?
This doesn't make sense. Ensminger was the OC and people gave all the credit to Brady. The same comparison would be to give the credit this season to Sloan or someone else.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 3:35 pm to jmaclsu
Ensminger took over stagnation when he came on board and the offense was much better. Never forget his first play was a pass to the tight end, something Les never knew existed. Ensminger does not get enough credit.
Fast forward, Joe Brady should get a lot of credit. He came in and he and Ensminger together did wonders. Don't sell either of them short.
Fast forward, Joe Brady should get a lot of credit. He came in and he and Ensminger together did wonders. Don't sell either of them short.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 3:44 pm to Usurp
2018 Ensminger Bama 29 LSU 0 (AT HOME) First year of Joey B
2019 Brady LSU 46 Bama 42 (AWAY) Second year of Joey B
The scores indicate the defense got worse. Or Bama offense improved.
2019 Brady LSU 46 Bama 42 (AWAY) Second year of Joey B
The scores indicate the defense got worse. Or Bama offense improved.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 3:47 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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he wasn't the coordinator that was E. He didn't call the plays that was also E.
Correct. And thats from a player on the team
Posted on 1/9/24 at 3:50 pm to LsuNav
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Denbrock isn’t given credit for the 2023 offense?
he is by NON football ignorant posters who know his system and style dating back to cincy.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 3:54 pm to Fat Bastard
Joe Burrow said, during the 2019 season, that LSU made almost no changes to Ensminger's 2018 offense. He said over 90% of LSU's playbook was exactly like 2018.
It always amazed me that so few observers paid any attention to that.
It always amazed me that so few observers paid any attention to that.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 3:58 pm to LsuNav
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Denbrock isn’t given credit for the 2023 offense? Many posters want Brady back but few care that Mike left. Why is that?
1) Orgeron was an idiot and hard to give credit to him for anything related to coaching
2) Plenty of people give credit to Denbrock
3) With a player like Jayden it’s really hard to have a bad offense
4) Sloan was instrumental in Jayden’s development as he was already a 5th year player when he arrived at LSU, and miraculously after his last offseason he underwent a transformation into freak of nature pretty much none of us have ever seen. Sloan.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 4:02 pm to Lester Earl
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think Denbrock gets credit but he had a whole year with Daniels in 2022 & blew it just like Ensminger did in 18’ with burrow
It was the same offense
Denbrock didn't do anything completely different in the 2 years.
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