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Why is Joe Brady given credit for the 2019 offense but
Posted on 1/9/24 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 1/9/24 at 12:09 pm
Denbrock isn’t given credit for the 2023 offense? Many posters want Brady back but few care that Mike left. Why is that?
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Posted on 1/9/24 at 12:12 pm to LsuNav
Because Orgeron wasn’t an offensive coach and Ensminger was here and didn’t have 2019 success. Denbrock ran BK’s offense. BK has said that clear as day on a couple of occasions
Posted on 1/9/24 at 12:13 pm to LsuNav
this is apples and oranges. you should be asking why isnt Joe Sloan given credit for the 2023 offense.
Ensminger and Denbrock are OCs
Brady and Sloan are QB/passing game coordinator
Fans are giving credit to Brady and Sloan
Ensminger and Denbrock are OCs
Brady and Sloan are QB/passing game coordinator
Fans are giving credit to Brady and Sloan
Posted on 1/9/24 at 12:14 pm to LsuNav
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Many posters want Brady back but few care that Mike left. Why is that?
Most posters are idiots, so let’s begin there. Also, this is Brian Kelly’s offense and he’s still here. Ed O was a DLINE coach that knew nothing about offense or for that matter, calling a defense. BK is in every offensive meeting. Whoever the next OC is, they’ll know that it will still be a BK offense. The ones that know this aren’t freaking out.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 12:15 pm to LsuNav
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Why is Joe Brady given credit for the 2019 offense but
I think he gets less and less credit as the years go by.
He was great that year by adding some wrinkles and energy to the offense, but that offense wasn't a success because of him.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 12:16 pm to LsuNav
I only wish that 2019 staff would have stayed together...I would have liked to see that 2020 yr with the 2019 staff
Posted on 1/9/24 at 12:18 pm to Lark225
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I only wish that 2019 staff would have stayed together...I would have liked to see that 2020 yr with the 2019 staff
I think just keeping Aranda makes 2020 entirely different. The adult in the room left.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 12:22 pm to LsuNav
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Why is Joe Brady given credit for the 2019 offense but by LsuNav
Do you wake up and cuse your Grandmother. Good lord help these people please. Yes I read your comment too.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 12:23 pm to LsuNav
The change from 2018 to 2019 is just easier to trace to Brady because he was the main change.
I think Denbrock gets credit but he had a whole year with Daniels in 2022 & blew it just like Ensminger did in 18’ with burrow
I think Denbrock gets credit but he had a whole year with Daniels in 2022 & blew it just like Ensminger did in 18’ with burrow
Posted on 1/9/24 at 12:24 pm to LsuNav
No one with any sense thinks Joe Brady was responsible for 2019. He was part, he taught LSU and E the Saints passing scheme. He wasn’t the coordinator that was E. He didn’t call the plays that was also E.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 12:26 pm to CatfishJohn
2018 Ensminger Bama 29 LSU 0 (AT HOME)
2019 Brady LSU 46 Bama 42 (AWAY)
2019 Brady LSU 46 Bama 42 (AWAY)
Posted on 1/9/24 at 12:30 pm to bgtiger
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Because Orgeron wasn’t an offensive coach and Ensminger was here and didn’t have 2019 success. Denbrock ran BK’s offense. BK has said that clear as day on a couple of occasions
The real reason is that some fans/posters are very petty. Brady was also shite upon when he left for the pros. Denbrock ran the offense, end of story. BK may have initially installed it at ND, or sometimes have input, but it was Denbrock's offense. Denbrock was a good coach. He was not just a puppet.
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 1/9/24 at 12:36 pm to LsuNav
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Why is Joe Brady given credit for the 2019 offense
Because many people are simpletons who insist on finding a single reason for everything. The QB (or OC or HC or DC) lost the game.
Neither Joe Brady nor Denbrock were the sole reason for their offense's success. In 2019 we had the greatest offensive line in the country and the greatest in LSU history. No other Tiger offensive line, previous to that, was even close. We had two of the most remarkable receivers that college football has ever seen, and we had Joe Burrow. We also had a superb technician at offensive coordinator named Steve Ensminger. Ensminger and Orgeron brought in Joe Brady who supplied the one missing ingredient to this masterpiece - the Saints' playbook!
In 2023 we had a fabulous QB, another exceptional offensive line, another shockingly talented WR group, and a very good offensive coaching staff.
Both seasons had great offenses for a variety of reasons. Neither was because of a magician at offensive coordinator.
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 1/9/24 at 12:40 pm to LsuNav
There is nothing we can do to get Denbrock back. Move forward,
Also, from my understanding the offense is still a product of BK. Of course I wish Denbrock stayed to run the offense.
Also, from my understanding the offense is still a product of BK. Of course I wish Denbrock stayed to run the offense.
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 1/9/24 at 12:47 pm to Usurp
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2018 Ensminger Bama 29 LSU 0 (AT HOME)
2019 Brady LSU 46 Bama 42 (AWAY)
Also throw in 2016 Ensminger Bama 10 LSU 0
Many of the same players in 2018 were back in 2019. Yet the playcalling and approach in 2019 was COMPLETELY different than anything Ensminger had done prior. Including his stint as OC in 2016.
So what's more likely?
Ensminger who had been at LSU since 2010 was sitting on the most explosive offense for a decade waiting for just the right moment to deploy it...OR
The new addition as co-OC completely changed the approach/play calling?
As for the OP's question, I think the reason is because Brady's addition coincided with a MASSIVE change in the way LSU played offense prior to his arrival. On the flip side, Denbrock was here in 2022 when LSU's offense was more or less average. The 2023 version of that offense from a playcalling/approach perspective didn't look all that different from 2022 (as opposed to 2018 vs 2019). It's that Daniels, the OL, and WRs executed it at a MUCH higher level in 2023. Daniels still ran a lot in 2023. The big difference was he was willing to throw the deep ball in 2023 that he was reluctant to throw in 2022, and he was able to do so with great accuracy. Is that in part a byproduct of good coaching? Absolutely. But 2019 is looked at as a result of a wholesale scheme change were 2023 is looked at more of a result of immense player improvement.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 12:54 pm to Stevo
I’m not calling Denbrock a puppet, or a poor coach. I’m telling you that BK hired him because he can run what BK wants. You either believe what BK has said, or not.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 12:55 pm to Penrod
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In 2019 we had the greatest offensive line in the country and the greatest in LSU history
That statement is laughable at best and debatable at worst. I understand they won the award for it that year but I will always say they weren't that great. JB9 MADE them look better than they were by getting the ball out fast. Joey B took some sacks and big hits that year... not saying they weren't "good" just not "great" like you claim..In my opinion Bama's line was better that year
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 1/9/24 at 12:57 pm to LsuNav
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Many posters want Brady back but few care that Mike left. Why is that?
Because Joe Brady was cool and has a great gif, Denbrock, not so much.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 1:01 pm to LsuNav
Nuss just threw for 400 without Denbrock
Posted on 1/9/24 at 1:15 pm to LsuNav
Literally the same reason. Joe Brady is getting credit and Joe Sloan is getting credit. Only difference is, this time we lost the one not getting the credit.
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