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re: Mexican President Obrador Issues His List Of Demands
Posted on 1/8/24 at 4:54 pm to roll to victory
Posted on 1/8/24 at 4:54 pm to roll to victory
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Trump issues war on the Mexican drug cartels in the first week of 2nd term.
0% chance of this happening
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Posted on 1/8/24 at 4:55 pm to Indefatigable
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Why don’t you just post your point?
And interrupt your insane and inane diatribe. Never.
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Tell me how I’m totally wrong and how Mexico isn’t responsible for anything at all.
Well you are completely wrong about Mexican internal geopolitics, and even your attempted corollary with the US was particularly idiotic. Continued in a new post.
This post was edited on 1/8/24 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 1/8/24 at 4:58 pm to Indefatigable
I say we cut off travel to Cancun and other tourist spots over there
Posted on 1/8/24 at 4:58 pm to crazy4lsu
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Look, it is clear what is happening with this list of demands. It is exceedingly commonplace in international relations. Why you can't seem to judge that on its own terms
I do. I’m also just venting frustration with our own failures and that of the Mexican government in even attempting to combat this issue.
Mexico’s present government actively seeks and facilitates this current result, and our government is apathetic at best and complicit at worse. I do not see that as acceptable.
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we have several corollaries with respect to migrant issues and what can happen if those issues aren't addressed directly. I'm talking about within the last 15 years.
And a common thread in each of those instances was unfettered access to western society for said migrants, resulting in economic, cultural, and security issues abound for the hosts. So yea, I’m right there with you on the corollaries.
This post was edited on 1/8/24 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 1/8/24 at 5:00 pm to SDVTiger
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This post was edited on 1/23/24 at 10:58 am
Posted on 1/8/24 at 5:10 pm to Indefatigable
First, the problem with Mexico's geography has to do with their choice of where they are centralizing to. Because of the separation from the coastal areas to the capital by three mountain ranges, Mexico City is particularly isolated with respect to being a capital city. The distance and elevation issues aside have made centralization efforts difficult since even before European contact. And again, it is why centralization projects are a consistent theme in Mexican presidential elections.
Second, Mexico, it appears, is going to take the Turkish route with respect to migrants, which is to use them as a negotiating tool to get some other concessions, while also never seeking to really address the migrant issue at all. That seems like the worst-case scenario, as because the Mexican state is prone to instability if not for the massive economic investment the US has put into the country, it would be in a far worse position. US investment has curbed immigration from Mexicans into the US mostly, as well as made Mexico into a trillion dollar economy, which I think is why more investment is among the list of demands.
Lopez Obrador's letter to President Trump when Obrador was elected also highlighted interesting points about how approach the border, following the EU model of turning the border into an economic zone, which incentivizes Mexican cooperation along the US border by tying their cooperation to the spoils of investment. Again, this model has been used to great effect with the EU, and I'm pretty sure the volume and amount of trade between Mexico and the US is large enough to justify streamlining the border in such a way as to maximize economic interactions.
That is the way forward, not by taking the EU's approach to Turkey, which has allowed Turkey to continually use migrants as a political tool, nearly 10 years after the migrant issues first appeared. Being antagonistic isn't going to be a net benefit to the US and will likely cost more than codifying the approach the US has already taken.
Second, Mexico, it appears, is going to take the Turkish route with respect to migrants, which is to use them as a negotiating tool to get some other concessions, while also never seeking to really address the migrant issue at all. That seems like the worst-case scenario, as because the Mexican state is prone to instability if not for the massive economic investment the US has put into the country, it would be in a far worse position. US investment has curbed immigration from Mexicans into the US mostly, as well as made Mexico into a trillion dollar economy, which I think is why more investment is among the list of demands.
Lopez Obrador's letter to President Trump when Obrador was elected also highlighted interesting points about how approach the border, following the EU model of turning the border into an economic zone, which incentivizes Mexican cooperation along the US border by tying their cooperation to the spoils of investment. Again, this model has been used to great effect with the EU, and I'm pretty sure the volume and amount of trade between Mexico and the US is large enough to justify streamlining the border in such a way as to maximize economic interactions.
That is the way forward, not by taking the EU's approach to Turkey, which has allowed Turkey to continually use migrants as a political tool, nearly 10 years after the migrant issues first appeared. Being antagonistic isn't going to be a net benefit to the US and will likely cost more than codifying the approach the US has already taken.
This post was edited on 1/8/24 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 1/8/24 at 5:11 pm to 14&Counting
quote:Only an invading country makes demands.
Mexican President Obrador Issues His List Of Demands
Posted on 1/8/24 at 5:13 pm to Indefatigable
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And a common thread in each of those instances was unfettered access to western society for said migrants, resulting in economic, cultural, and security issues abound for the hosts. So yea, I’m right there with you on the corollaries.
But the EU did take an antagonistic approach to migrants as well as the nations where they were residing. And it didn't work. They didn't get unfettered access. And the security issues were issues that the Europeans (and the US) themselves created.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 5:14 pm to 14&Counting
Posted on 1/8/24 at 5:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Why are we LARPing like the military can just randomly operate within our borders for civilian issues?
This is a special circumstance and can be implemented by reclassifying the drug trade/ smugglers as terrorists. If a soccer-mom can be classified as a terrorist then drug smugglers that are killing people can be classified that way as well. Let's not do kabuki theater about how this is a hard thing to do.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 5:32 pm to 14&Counting
Why would Mexico be concerned about our border? The Clinton Foundation and Soros covers all the expenses to get them through Mexico.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 5:40 pm to 14&Counting
The vast majority of any funding in those shite countries end up in the pockets of politicians and their friends on both sides of the border.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 5:50 pm to Buds4
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This is a special circumstance and can be implemented by reclassifying the drug trade/ smugglers as terrorists. If a soccer-mom can be classified as a terrorist then drug smugglers that are killing people can be classified that way as well.
Why would the FBI lose jurisdiction?
Posted on 1/8/24 at 5:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The easiest answer is, Remain in Mexico is the best way to stop the flow into the US, and we need Mexico on board (again) to do that.
No we need them to stop them at the Mexican southern border, and if they make it to our border we just tell them to frick off and stay there, its our country.
By the way, there were not 300,000 "aprehensions" at the border, it was a speed bump while we gave them phones and tickets to anywhere they wanted to go.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 6:10 pm to SDVTiger
quote:give some examples pls.
He loved Orange and Orange the Great got everything he wanted from him
Posted on 1/8/24 at 6:15 pm to Ribbed
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quote: Precision strikes on cartel strongholds.
Not sure why we're not doing these already.
One word: BIDEN
Posted on 1/8/24 at 6:16 pm to 14&Counting
quote:Ouch!
Mexican President Obrador Issues His List Of Demands
Potatobrain got owned by Obrador?
Posted on 1/8/24 at 6:19 pm to NC_Tigah
Hell if I were Obrador I’d quickly figure out some lesser country to invade while Biden’s still President. Like everyone else. Once in a lifetime opportunity.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 6:51 pm to Bayoutigre
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give some examples pls.
Theres this thing called google and you can find them all yourself. No need to be lazy
Posted on 1/8/24 at 6:52 pm to cadillacattack
quote:Which is why Obie is trying to close this shitty deal with the current lame federal government fast
and make sure your cartel brothers understand that shite WILL be changing … soon
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