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Too many people are traveling, and it is ruining travel.
Posted on 10/28/23 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 10/28/23 at 2:37 pm
I found this column on Vox (which I typically hate), and read it with interest because of my experience in Italy last week. I think the piece is spot on.
I went to Rome and Florence with my wife in mid-October. There were simply too many people there to reasonably enjoy it. Mostly Americans, but also lots of Germans and French, and I think half the nation of Japan was in Rome. Our 3-hour “skip the line” tour of the Vatican was not fun. There were tens of thousands of people skipping the line. They herded us through the museums so fast that we had no time to enjoy anything. Standing in the Sistine Chapel, a lifelong dream of mine, was a huge disappointment as we were crammed in there with so many people and then hustled out. So yeah, I think much of Europe is overtraveled and I’m gonna think hard about my next trip.
https://www.vox.com/culture/23798890/american-tourists-travel-trends-vacation-optimization
I went to Rome and Florence with my wife in mid-October. There were simply too many people there to reasonably enjoy it. Mostly Americans, but also lots of Germans and French, and I think half the nation of Japan was in Rome. Our 3-hour “skip the line” tour of the Vatican was not fun. There were tens of thousands of people skipping the line. They herded us through the museums so fast that we had no time to enjoy anything. Standing in the Sistine Chapel, a lifelong dream of mine, was a huge disappointment as we were crammed in there with so many people and then hustled out. So yeah, I think much of Europe is overtraveled and I’m gonna think hard about my next trip.
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Many Americans, in much the same way we’ve grown accustomed to cheap products that arrive within 24 hours or less, have an unsavory tendency to feel as though we are owed a fabulous, friction-free time simply because we’ve spent enough money and energy planning to have a fabulous, friction-free time. Cottage industries and corners of the internet have sprung up to reinforce this illusion: No matter where in the world you go, especially as an American leisure tourist, absolutely every choice can be made for you. On TikTok, you can copy painfully intricate spreadsheets and decks promising you the “BEST SUMMER EUROPE TRIP EVER.” Startup apps like Postcard and Camber allow you to copy other people’s saved location pins and follow their itineraries like treasure maps. Publications and influencers compete to offer you the dreamiest-sounding getaways, guiding you to each trendy restaurant and café and what to order there. Some people are even letting ChatGPT plan their vacations. It’s an almost sports-like pastime to reference every possible available recommendation and “best of” list and cobble together a bulletproof itinerary, an activity I’ve engaged in many times, sometimes with great pleasure. But it all ends the same: with thousands of people doing the same things, in the same places, at the same times.
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More people are traveling because they can, a direct result of policy changes on a governmental and corporate level: the rise of online travel agencies like Expedia and Viator that make vacation planning as easy as online shopping, the slackening of visa requirements for foreigners and “digital nomads” who buy local real estate (many of whom promptly renovate them into cookie-cutter Airbnbs), deregulation of the airline industry, the popularity of user-generated, algorithmically ranked “best of” travel recommendations, a capitalist global economy that keeps developing countries’ currencies low and therefore favorable to people from richer nations, and the widespread adoption of remote work, to name a few. That there is not enough space at the restaurants we want to eat at, that the must-see museums sell out weeks in advance, these are not the fault of the individual travelers clamoring to go there, they’re the result of explicit decisions made by governments and corporations.
https://www.vox.com/culture/23798890/american-tourists-travel-trends-vacation-optimization
This post was edited on 10/28/23 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 10/28/23 at 3:20 pm to Slippy
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went to Rome and Florence
Two of the most touristed cities in the world and you were contributing to what you dislike. There are plenty of other, less touristed places to visit. Like Bourdain used to say, be a traveler, not a tourist.
This post was edited on 10/28/23 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 10/28/23 at 4:10 pm to Slippy
IMHO…. We’re only a year away from this no longer being an issue. The data is pretty clear that many of those traveling are going into significant credit card debt to do so. Even the airlines are expecting serious pullback which is why we’re seeing travel deals popping up left and right. They know the gig is about to be up.
Posted on 10/28/23 at 4:35 pm to Slippy
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So yeah, I think much of Europe is overtraveled and I’m gonna think hard about my next trip
Shoulder season is always our plan for most any Euro travel.
Posted on 10/28/23 at 5:02 pm to Slippy
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I went to Rome and Florence with my wife in mid-October. There were simply too many people there to reasonably enjoy it.
Going to Rome and Florence and complaining about the crowds is like going to Disney and being surprised at the number of fat people.
Posted on 10/28/23 at 5:04 pm to Slippy
Had a similar feeling this past May in Porto and Bilbao… just too many people to properly enjoy it. Pretty much made the decision to vacation to more remote locations in the future because of it.
Posted on 10/28/23 at 6:51 pm to Slippy
Sounds incredibly selfish.
It's OK if I travel, but if other people do it's a travesty.
This isn't a unique response to things like this, it happens all the time. Like the old joke about being a fan of a band before everyone else.
This person would complain if everyone was able to get a Harvard education, even if the instruction quality stayed the same. It's the exclusivity that they want, not the actual thing they are doing/buying.
What does this person think travel agents were doing in the 80s? Sending every customer on a completely unique itinerary?
Old media/journalists really hate the fact they can't gatekeep information any more.
It's OK if I travel, but if other people do it's a travesty.
This isn't a unique response to things like this, it happens all the time. Like the old joke about being a fan of a band before everyone else.
This person would complain if everyone was able to get a Harvard education, even if the instruction quality stayed the same. It's the exclusivity that they want, not the actual thing they are doing/buying.
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No matter where in the world you go, especially as an American leisure tourist, absolutely every choice can be made for you. On TikTok, you can copy painfully intricate spreadsheets and decks promising you the “BEST SUMMER EUROPE TRIP EVER.” Startup apps like Postcard and Camber allow you to copy other people’s saved location pins and follow their itineraries like treasure maps
What does this person think travel agents were doing in the 80s? Sending every customer on a completely unique itinerary?
Old media/journalists really hate the fact they can't gatekeep information any more.
This post was edited on 10/28/23 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 10/29/23 at 7:27 am to Slippy
Americans couldn't go to Europe for a while, then there were mask and vaccination mandates, and there was also the risk of a negative test delaying entry back into the US.
So, there's been a huge boom in travel to Europe. In contrast, the domestic destinations that were overcrowded during the pandemic, such as Hawaii and Orlando, have seen extremely low numbers lately.
So, there's been a huge boom in travel to Europe. In contrast, the domestic destinations that were overcrowded during the pandemic, such as Hawaii and Orlando, have seen extremely low numbers lately.
Posted on 10/29/23 at 7:50 am to Slippy
“Nobody goes there anymore. It’s too crowded.”
Yogi Berra
Yogi Berra
Posted on 10/29/23 at 9:53 am to Slippy
Great quote from David Foster Wallace:
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To be a mass tourist, for me, is to become a pure late-date American: alien, ignorant, greedy for something you cannot ever have, disappointed in a way you can never admit. It is to spoil, by way of sheer ontology, the very unspoiledness you are there to experience. It is to impose yourself on places that in all noneconomic ways would be better, realer, without you. It is, in lines and gridlock and transaction after transaction, to confront a dimension of yourself that is as inescapable as it is painful: As a tourist, you become economically significant but existentially loathsome, an insect on a dead thing.
Posted on 10/29/23 at 10:18 am to Slippy
Go away from the beaten path!! It’s really that simple.
Posted on 10/29/23 at 11:15 am to Slippy
Yes.
And every tourist place is turning into the same experience with different trappings.
Seeing Chinese made trinkets in Italy was pretty depressing.
And every tourist place is turning into the same experience with different trappings.
Seeing Chinese made trinkets in Italy was pretty depressing.
Posted on 10/29/23 at 12:21 pm to Slippy
Major tourist destinations are often disappointing.
Posted on 10/29/23 at 4:53 pm to Slippy
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Standing in the Sistine Chapel, a lifelong dream of mine, was a huge disappointment as we were crammed in there with so many people and then hustled out.
They bought the wrong tour. I was in the chapel so long I was starting to doze off. Skip the line is for the basilica not the chapel, but the line moves fast. Sirens the money for the happy hour Museum tour and you go in the chapel after it's closed then get fed and given drinks in the courtyard after.
This post was edited on 10/29/23 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 10/29/23 at 5:10 pm to Slippy
I went to the Sistine chapel 5 years ago and it was a similar experience. Those places are always packed
Posted on 10/29/23 at 7:32 pm to Slippy
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Too many people are traveling, and it is ruining travel
Can’t really speak to destinations, as I’ve done so much work travel and not able to do personal where I want to go, but yes, too many Fing people are travel…
It’s to the point of not being worth it. Dealing with the trash and stupidity these days is getting tiring.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 10:25 am to Slippy
I think some of it is people trying to do everything the most when they travel which means tight schedules with no flexibility. Then people get pissed when everything isn't exactly what/how they expect.
I'm actually a fan of shorter trips, but I understand the trade-off is I won't be able to see/do all of the cool things in London/Rome/Singapore, etc. in only 2-3 days. I try to keep schedules flexible and account for extra travel/walking/train time. Makes dealing with the crowds much easier.
I'm actually a fan of shorter trips, but I understand the trade-off is I won't be able to see/do all of the cool things in London/Rome/Singapore, etc. in only 2-3 days. I try to keep schedules flexible and account for extra travel/walking/train time. Makes dealing with the crowds much easier.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 10:30 am to Slippy
The rise of a middle class in China has really contributed to this greatly.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 12:48 pm to Slippy
I just got back from Rome with Tauck.
We had 30 minutes in the Sistine Chapel with 20 other people after closing hours..... it was amazing.
We had 30 minutes in the Sistine Chapel with 20 other people after closing hours..... it was amazing.
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