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re: Grizzly bear kills husband, wife and their dog at national park in Alberta, Canada

Posted on 10/1/23 at 10:05 pm to
Posted by Theduckhunter
South Louisiana
Member since May 2022
721 posts
Posted on 10/1/23 at 10:05 pm to
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See, I figured that was the losing move. Because in bursts, it seems like I’ve seen them get about 20-30ft up an avg tree in seconds. Much faster than I could


I figured that as well, but I stumbled on a couple of videos where people have climbed trees to escape a brown bear, so it might be better than nothing if you had the right tree.
Posted by Elblancodiablo
Member since Sep 2023
1829 posts
Posted on 10/1/23 at 10:08 pm to
2 folks and a dog, that bear was pissed.
Posted by Keltic Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
19359 posts
Posted on 10/1/23 at 10:08 pm to
Re grizzly speed, worked in Yellowstone one summer & several of us were riding down a 2 lane, straight road. Out the blue, this huge grizzly came loping past us & we were cruising at 35 mph, the Park speed limit. We were so shocked we pulled over & stopped. And he was quickly out of sight. There are a ton of beats attack videos on You Tube & in all of them the charging grizzlies are hauling arse. One thing that seems to be common is the bears all seem to go for the human head first.
Posted by TDFreak
Dodge Charger Aficionado
Member since Dec 2009
7411 posts
Posted on 10/1/23 at 10:12 pm to
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This is sad and probably true. People walking in Grizzly habitat should not bring their dog.
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It was likely the catalyst behind the attack.
I just don’t get it. How do people conclude bringing their dog into a national park - replete with wildlife including predators - is a great idea? “Oh, my poochie is part of the family. He goes everywhere with us!”

Just put that flea bag in Camp Bow Wow for the week. Sheesh.

Prayers to the deceased.
Posted by Bubb
Member since Mar 2010
3928 posts
Posted on 10/1/23 at 10:20 pm to
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Its better for the survival of bears to eliminate the ones that are aggressive towards humans anyway.


Aren't all grizzlies prone to being aggressive and killing people? Not like the "good pitbull" argument...
Posted by St Stooge
Member since Feb 2017
301 posts
Posted on 10/1/23 at 10:33 pm to
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We’re you this mad when Roy schieder killed jaws


You are aware that Jaws isn’t a documentary, right?
Posted by ctiger69
Member since May 2005
30616 posts
Posted on 10/1/23 at 10:34 pm to
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No doubt lol I'm still unconvinced I couldnt stay opposite that big bastard from a 3ft pine tree. I think he gets pissed off and moves on with his life after 1-2hrs. I'm just not accepting I cant shimmy around that tree as fast as something 600lbs. With a whole lot more skin in the game


This is a joke right. You are not going up against an elephant here. You are going up against a Grizzly. He is faster and quicker than you. His job is to catch prey and kill it. A Grizzly is faster than any horse up to 100 yards. Grizzly’s have been recorded running down caribou in over a mile chase and catching them. You would not stand a chance climbing up a tree to get away from Grizzly. He would climb the tree in 2 seconds and bring you down but you think you are going to be able to hide behind one and be safe.
Posted by HippieTiger
Boulder, CO
Member since Oct 2015
2129 posts
Posted on 10/1/23 at 11:03 pm to
I know the likelihood of this happening to anyone is extremely small, but anytime I am in grizz country I don’t even have a good time due to this thought and the paranoia around it.
Posted by PassingThrough
Member since Sep 2021
2622 posts
Posted on 10/1/23 at 11:07 pm to
I certainly didn’t take as many hikes in Glacier in part due to this thought. I was also a bit hesitant to take the short nature trail near where I was staying outside the park because even on that there would occasionally be bears.
Posted by HippieTiger
Boulder, CO
Member since Oct 2015
2129 posts
Posted on 10/1/23 at 11:09 pm to
Takes a lot of the fun out of it. I can’t imagine how this couple and their dog died, but I bet it wasn’t pretty. RIP to the deceased
Posted by jmh5724
Member since Jan 2012
2138 posts
Posted on 10/1/23 at 11:18 pm to
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You are going up against a Grizzly. He is faster and quicker than you.


My encounter was on a mountain side. We were in the middle of class 3 scrambling when it came towards us. That bear covered more ground in 30 seconds than we could in 10 minutes. Running or climbing was not an option. We started waving our arms and yelling and it finally stopped within 25 yards of us. I had zero confidence in the bear spray if I had to use it, we were at it’s mercy the entire time.
Posted by LSU Grad Alabama Fan
369 Cardboard Box Lane
Member since Nov 2019
10325 posts
Posted on 10/1/23 at 11:18 pm to
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This makes my blood boil. Let's kill the nature because it's doing nature again. They put themselves in the situation. FAFO.


The bear also FAFO when it decided not to share nature with the people.
Posted by RocketPower13
Member since Jan 2017
2481 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 12:38 am to
I have family in Jackson Hole, one member is retired but does tours periodically just cuz he loves the scenery, story telling and strangers. Anyway, my favorite story he tells is of this foreign couple that thought bear spray was actually repellent, so they started spraying it on each other while waiting for the tour to head out.

Not a tragic ending as the OP story but a cautionary tale nonetheless, and one that teaches a lesson. Always read the instructions when your seeing nature you've never seen before.

- anyway, csb
Posted by mallardhank
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2006
1277 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 12:59 am to
Replying to a past comment about bears running downhill: they come downhill like a bolt of lightning. They catch large elk, moose and caribou running downhill wide assed open downhill. You don’t think as fast as those animals run down hill. Bear spray and 10mm loaded with Underwood or Buffalo Bore ammo that you’ve practiced with until your bank account is empty cause the good stuff ain’t cheap. And don’t forget wolves - they live there too snd there’s a lot more of them than bears.
Posted by Pelican fan99
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
34825 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 1:10 am to
Damn that bear wasn’t messing around if he killed the dog too
Posted by CaptainsWafer
TD Platinum Member
Member since Feb 2006
58385 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 1:47 am to
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If I was actually camping in bear country, I’d probably have a 45-70 or shotgun with slugs.


I think I’d just refrain from camping in bear country.
Posted by 62Tigerfan
Member since Sep 2015
4622 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:12 am to
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They knew bear protocol and followed it to a tee."


But they didn't check to see if the bear knew the protocol.
Posted by SECdragonmaster
Order of the Dragons
Member since Dec 2013
16245 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 5:29 am to
I have done several backpacking hikes in forests everywhere (including Canada) - some as long as two weeks and we NEVER go anywhere without:

1. Bear bins for food.
2. Bear spray.
3. Portable horns.
4. Never any pets or small kids.

And most importantly…
5. Large numbers of adult men who do not wash their clothes for the full week or two. The smallest number of hikers I have been with was eight men.

Bears see us and move the other way. They are not even curious.

This is a sad situation and it always has an element of bad luck but everytime I have seen a “scare” from a bear - the hiking party has something that smells interesting (food, small animals, or small kids who break protocol etc).
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
11450 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 6:26 am to
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No doubt lol I'm still unconvinced I couldnt stay opposite that big bastard from a 3ft pine tree. I think he gets pissed off and moves on with his life after 1-2hrs. I'm just not accepting I cant shimmy around that tree as fast as something 600lbs. With a whole lot more skin in the game


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDGM7QgxuWw

give this a watch


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I was badly mauled by a brown bear in Alaska. I wrote a successful book on the subject. I researched hundreds of bear attacks and learned quite a bit. Black bears and brown/grizzly bears are completely different animals with different modes of attack, different 'triggers' and require different modes of defense. I can only speak in probabilities, but most of the time a black bear will push you, test you, follow you before attacking. A large handgun might be useful. You'll have time (probably) to aim and take a brain shot. Brown/grizzlies almost never do that. They are ambush predators. Your first inkling of an attack will be the sound of breaking brush as the bear comes from the side or behind you from 25-30 yards away at speeds up to 30mph. They won't make that rush until its crept in very close - 25-30 yards. You will not have time to draw a handgun. I had a rifle in my hands and didn't have time to level it before it ran me down. The trigger for the attack? I had just blithely invaded its space while it snoozed in the brush on a peaceful afternoon. I couldn't make noise because I was stalking a herd of blacktails on a mountainside, but if the bear had sensed my approach it likely would have just padded off without me ever knowing of its presence. Or, it may have made a threat display, a warning that if heeded by backing away would leave me perfectly safe. I've been in that situation a number of times and never had an issue. In an ACTUAL attack, as above, a bear coming at you full tilt you're pretty much screwed unless the bear is slowed or detoured by intervening brush or trees giving you the extra seconds needed. The problem with handguns is that the only sure stop on a browny with that limited handgun power is to brain him. The brain isn't where you think it is. It's not behind the forehead. That distinct forehead on a brown/grizzly is created by a sagittal crest on top of the skull, an attachment for neck and jaw muscles. The brain is much lower, directly behind the nose and mouth. A shot above the eyes does nothing except create pain, pain that will encourage extra punishment from the bear. A bear's brain is the size of a softball, and coming at you on a bouncing path at up to 30 mph. Can you instantly draw and hit that ball? Are you Jerry Miculek? Black bears - handguns, yeah, probably be fine. Brown bears. No. You'd better have a shotgun, or if hunting, a rifle with enough punch to make a hole from one end of the bear to another, enough to power to knock him down for a second killing shot. Furthermore, if you are hunting with a rifle mounting a typical 3x9 or 4x12 optic, you have no sights for a close range encounter. You're blind. If you hunt in brown/grizzly country, get a 1x4 or 1x6 optic, and keep it on 1x until you NEED higher magnification. When you take your deer, elk, caribou immediately dial down to 1x again, because that blood pool you just created may well draw bears.
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 6:30 am
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
11450 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 6:30 am to
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Ok. Grizzlies are awesome. But think of what you are saying. That’s 68 mph


Yeah I was drinking, wasn't really thinking. They scare the hell out of me so in my mind their abilities are usually exaggerated.
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