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re: Who should run schools? Federal government, state government or local government?
Posted on 9/28/23 at 3:59 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 9/28/23 at 3:59 pm to 4cubbies
Locals. This would screw a lot of kids but most of them are screwed anyway by the current system. This mythology that we can save kids while forcing the good students to be around all that pathology is just insanity, at this point.
If the feds' primary goal is to college those who inject the pathology, then a system regulated by those rules is doomed to fail.
At least with local control, a lot of middle-tier kids could flourish again finally. The total net would probably be positive.
If the feds' primary goal is to college those who inject the pathology, then a system regulated by those rules is doomed to fail.
At least with local control, a lot of middle-tier kids could flourish again finally. The total net would probably be positive.
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 4:02 pm to 4cubbies
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Federal government, state government or local government?
D) None of the above.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 4:08 pm to 4cubbies
Preferably the parents of the students attending the schools and citizens whose tax base support it.
So I guess local government to the extent of collecting and distributing the tax dollars but other than that a school board made up a majority of parents with kids currently in the system and a couple other at large spots to represent the rest of the tax payers.
So I guess local government to the extent of collecting and distributing the tax dollars but other than that a school board made up a majority of parents with kids currently in the system and a couple other at large spots to represent the rest of the tax payers.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 4:11 pm to EKG
It's obviously these people that should be running our childrens education:
Posted on 9/28/23 at 4:16 pm to 4cubbies
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The federal government provides about 7% of the money required to operate schools.
I snorted at this, then looked it up and found it's actually close to the mark (the number can fluctuate depending on state and school). This makes the increasing federal control of schools even more ridiculous as such a (relatively) small amount of funding should in no way cost such a massive deference in power and authority.
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Who should run schools? Federal government, state government or local government?
The answer is, of course, the local government. Local governments are staffed by people who are (usually) more involved with the local system and (ideally) more responsive to issues because they are closer to the voting public they represent (this is especially true on the federal level as no one at the Dept of Education in DC is directly elected by voters).
Failing schools are often a sign of a failing community, parents not being involved in a responsible manner with their children and their education. You can have the best teachers in the country staffing a failing school and it's still going to fail until the surrounding community changes its behaviors.
You can't fix shitty parenting with more government control of schools, especially when that control equates to excusing bad behavior.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 4:20 pm to kingbob
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would be interested in seeing some research on this.
To be fair, I only keep up with voucher school scandals in Louisiana.
The Effects of the Louisiana Scholarship Program on Student Achievement after Four Years
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The Louisiana Scholarship Program (LSP) offers publicly-funded vouchers to students in low-performing schools with family income no greater than 250 percent of the poverty line, allowing them to enroll in participating private schools. Established in 2008 as a pilot program in New Orleans, the LSP was expanded statewide in 2012. In this study, we estimate the achievement impacts of ever using an LSP voucher to enroll in one’s first-choice private school over the four year period spanning from 2012-13 (Year 1) through 2015-16 (Year 4). In contrast to our previous research, which indicated large initial negative achievement effects of the program that improved after two and three years of participation, the results presented here indicate large negative effects of LSP voucher usage after four years, especially in math. Similar to previous studies, we observe little evidence of differentiation in general effects by gender.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 4:24 pm to 4cubbies
Louisiana Department of Education cited for theft issues, mismanaging voucher payments
Betsy DeVos’s explanation for negative voucher results: Program was ‘not very well conceived’
How one troubled New Orleans school earned millions from Louisiana’s school-choice program
Louisiana voucher school overbilled taxpayers $61,698, audit says
Betsy DeVos’s explanation for negative voucher results: Program was ‘not very well conceived’
How one troubled New Orleans school earned millions from Louisiana’s school-choice program
Louisiana voucher school overbilled taxpayers $61,698, audit says
Posted on 9/28/23 at 4:42 pm to 4cubbies
The people
Posted on 9/28/23 at 4:48 pm to EKG
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None of the above.
Government—at any level—doesn’t belong in education.
Local government should run public education, which is a necessity.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 4:54 pm to 4cubbies
States should set very broad standards so that local school districts can be compared somewhat apples to apples (same grading scales, same number of instruction hours, etc)
State should mandate students cannot pass 4th grade unless they are literate at reading and writing in English. Locals are free to figure out how to accommodate this, but 4th graders have to take a statewide literacy test in 4th grade to advance.
Locals figure everything else out themselves. The state mostly is there to help provide funding to districts without sufficient property taxes to support their student populations.
No parent should ever be turned away from a PTA or school board meeting without knowing exactly who is in charge of deciding what. It is almost impossible in Louisiana to find out who assembled curriculum for specific classes in public schools. We should know exactly who mandated what and when on public record, and those decisions should be made at the local level so voters can hold them accountable.
State should mandate students cannot pass 4th grade unless they are literate at reading and writing in English. Locals are free to figure out how to accommodate this, but 4th graders have to take a statewide literacy test in 4th grade to advance.
Locals figure everything else out themselves. The state mostly is there to help provide funding to districts without sufficient property taxes to support their student populations.
No parent should ever be turned away from a PTA or school board meeting without knowing exactly who is in charge of deciding what. It is almost impossible in Louisiana to find out who assembled curriculum for specific classes in public schools. We should know exactly who mandated what and when on public record, and those decisions should be made at the local level so voters can hold them accountable.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 5:04 pm to 4cubbies
The US Constitution does not grant power of education/schools to the federal government and therefore grants the power to the states. It’s up to each state to run the education (or don’t run).
Posted on 9/28/23 at 5:11 pm to EKG
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None of the above.
Government—at any level—doesn’t belong in education.
I can understand and agree with that argument in principle, but you’re not getting that entire train back to the station.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 5:16 pm to 4cubbies
Local Government, with no federal or state dollars, the fed and the state can cut their tax rates.
Federal and State funding is giving them a hand in it..
Federal and State funding is giving them a hand in it..
Posted on 9/28/23 at 6:05 pm to 4cubbies
Anyone or anything but the government.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 6:07 pm to LSUbest
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Federal and State funding is giving them a hand in it..
Federal dollars account for 7% of school funding. That’s hardly anything yet they are in charge of national education policies. It doesn’t make sense.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 6:09 pm to Powerman
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vouchers for tuition
Absolutely.
Education needs to be subjected to the pressure of competition. That alone will be driving force to make it better.
Too bad the teacher's unions are standing in the way.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 6:09 pm to Penrod
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Local government should run public education, which is a necessity.
Yep, it’s a necessity for childcare so parents can work. It’s a necessity so we can build and maintain an intelligent workforce. And quality education is a necessity for national security.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 6:10 pm to TrueTiger
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Education needs to be subjected to the pressure of competition. That alone will be driving force to make it better.
But it has repeatedly been proven that “competition” doesn’t result in lower spending or better schools. This neoliberal bullshite needs to die already.
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 9/28/23 at 6:12 pm to 4cubbies
Proven by the government? Lol
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