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re: Travel Ball Mecca

Posted on 7/6/23 at 5:00 pm to
Posted by Musashi
South Louisiana
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 5:00 pm to
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I’ve umpired rec baseball In south lake charles for the past few years, rec baseball for the most part is bad here. You have a few players here and there that are decent/good, but they also play travel ball. My son is ten going on eleven and he plays “travel ball”. Odds are he won’t play college ball, hell living in SWLA he may not even play high school ball. He loves the game of baseball and is a good bit better than the majority of rec ball kids his age. As long as he wants to play “travel ball”, we will make sure he’s able to. Sometimes I wish he would tell me he doesn’t want to play anymore, but that kid loves the game of baseball! To each their own I guess. Great pro’s and con’s in this thread. Surprising for the OT!


Does your son play any other sports?
Posted by FlatTownProdigalSon
Lake Charles
Member since Dec 2007
879 posts
Posted on 7/6/23 at 5:04 pm to
Yes, he does. Plays basketball and flag football for “rec league” type leagues. Enjoys it very much.
Posted by Musashi
South Louisiana
Member since Dec 2020
373 posts
Posted on 7/6/23 at 5:14 pm to
I think it also depends what your local rec league is like, ours is still decently competitive with 10-12 teams at u10 and 8 teams at u12, usually a few travel ball kids on each team with all stars consisting of about half travel ball kids. Definitely an outlier in Louisiana.
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
28352 posts
Posted on 7/6/23 at 5:17 pm to
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Yes, he does. Plays basketball and flag football for “rec league” type leagues. Enjoys it very much.


See this is what it’s all about…..not 9yr olds practicing hitting 3x week all year round.
Posted by Musashi
South Louisiana
Member since Dec 2020
373 posts
Posted on 7/6/23 at 5:18 pm to
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Yes, he does. Plays basketball and flag football for “rec league” type leagues. Enjoys it very much.


In my opinion your kid will be a way better baseball player by playing these other sports vs someone that mainly just plays baseball.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31441 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 7:46 am to
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In my opinion your kid will be a way better baseball player by playing these other sports vs someone that mainly just plays baseball.


most travel ball kids play other sports. said that 100 times in these threads

and you talked about rec being feb-june.....thats the same as the travel ball season. difference is playing on weekends vs during the week. and also level of play.

not many travel ball kids just playing baseball under the age of 13. sure they practice in the fall but many teams only play 1 or 2 tournaments.

example, our team and many others in south louisiana sept-first week in decemeber is practice and you play the toys for tots or the 2d or Pg tournament that is the first week in decemeber. then you shut down. its usually only 2x practice a week in the fall with focus mainly being long toss, bat speed and strength.

come back in january(some start 1st week some start feb 1st) and you go 3x practice a week. usually first tournament is last week in feb or 1st weekend in march.

most do about 10-12 tournaments through early june and then go to a world series.

every travel kid i know though plays atleast 1 other sport. every kid on our team plays football of some kind. about half do basketball and couple do wrestling, golf, tennis. couple that only do football and baseball also dont play any others because they do 4H stuff like rodeo and livestock.

i personally dont know any travel ball kids that only play baseball.

as mentioned in swla...rec ball is not good. and i can promise most good travel teams would destroy rec all stars. i can promise the 3 top 10u travel teams in the LC area would beat the SLC 12 year old all star team.

also my contention is by 10u, AA ball is not a ton different than rec. little better but not much.
Posted by sledgehammer
SWLA
Member since Oct 2020
3407 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 7:49 am to
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lsu777

Do you get tired of typing the same type of responses every time these threads pop up? You’ve got extreme patience my man.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31441 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 7:55 am to
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Do you get tired of typing the same type of responses every time these threads pop up? You’ve got extreme patience my man.



of course but wtf else is there to do on my friday i work? literally 4 people out of 50 in my division here today and its our slow time right now.

I mean i guess i could actually work...but frick all that
Posted by BoogaBear
Member since Jul 2013
5611 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 7:56 am to
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mentioned in swla...rec ball is not good. and i can promise most good travel teams would destroy rec all stars. i can promise the 3 top 10u travel teams in the LC area would beat the SLC 12 year old all star team.


I'm speaking to softball but it's the same in our area. A 10u rec softball team is still not at the level of consistently throwing kids out on groundballs. That's how poor the rec leagues are here.

Every year right before allstars the rec teams get all big in their britches and think they are travel ball good. They go enter some C class tournament, take 3 L's and go home.

There are also some travel ball teams that have no business playing in travel with the talent they have, I don't understand what those teams are doing.

We did 7 tournaments last fall and 12 this spring. Most girls are in baton, cheer, tumbling, or some other activity as well.
Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
Member since Sep 2007
12945 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:46 am to
I’m seeing a lot of “open tryouts” for “highly selective competitive” travel teams looking for “highly motivated and skilled players.” This is all over my Facebook feed. Sometime with the tag line “BALLERS ONLY.”

Once again, no matter what anyone tells you, travel ball is just what rec ball used to be with an added travel component and higher cost and the perceived air of superiority which appeals to so many WASPY suburbanites. It’s not selective or elite in any way unless you are referencing the ability to pay to play and the time to travel 200 or more miles every week for this weeks “World Series of Podunkville.”
Posted by MSUmtowndawg
Jackson, MS
Member since Sep 2010
1469 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:56 am to
My kid plays on a 9U AAA "travel" baseball team. He loves baseball and wants to play it. I have success to afford it so why not. He plays on the 2nd team (not sure of their rankings) soccer team. We are very new to the soccer world, he's has only succeeded at this age on athleticism. We don't have to play rec this year because we made this soccer team. Plays rec flag football. Likes golf so he has done 2 camps this summer. Loves to fish so I have a kayak set up and he goes most weekends.

My daughter plays rec soccer, dance, ballet, and is asking to start the swim team at her school.

Both do very well in school. We take other vacations and enjoy life. We don't expect any extra curriculars to become "careers" but it makes them better people and teaches them a different set of values that are conducive to individualized settings.

My best friend has a 5 year old kid and is actively trying to make him only interested in fishing because that's what my friend wants to do. I don't agree with that stance but its your kid so whatever.

These topics tend to show that the very "anti" are just as extreme as the very "pro" in being irrational.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31441 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 10:02 am to
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These topics tend to show that the very "anti" are just as extreme as the very "pro" in being irrational.


usually more so.

im considered the extreme on here when it comes to travel ball

yet my kids play multiple sports and not all my kids play baseball

all my kids make straight As

we fish and hunt

im not anti any sport or activity

yet im the extreme one
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31441 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 10:05 am to
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travel ball is just what rec ball used to be with an added travel component


high levels of travel ball is like if you only had the all star team from each league and only played with those.

quote:

It’s not selective or elite in any way


again depends on what level you play at. i can tell you, if you want to play on a high level team in south louisiana......only about 8 from nola to LC...if that. even less in north & central LA

now AA teams...there are tons of those everywhere. thats what some of yall dont seem to understand...yall see these AA teams and think that is how they all are...thats not the case.
Posted by MSUmtowndawg
Jackson, MS
Member since Sep 2010
1469 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 10:13 am to
My apologies, I didn't mean to imply that you were the extreme pro of the topic. Most probably conflate that because of you being the most common poster.

I agree with you in a lot of your responses. My experiences do not reflect the divide you speak of in SWLA between AA/AAA in 9's. There could almost be sub-divisions and that's probably due to the lack of suitable rec leagues. We have played up an age division by the time spring rolls around in the time we have been doing this.
This post was edited on 7/7/23 at 10:14 am
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
103171 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 10:17 am to
High level Majors select ball in Houston is like if you took the 2 best players from every all star team in a 200 mile radius and made a squad.
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
166500 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 10:19 am to
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High level Majors select ball in Houston is like if you took the 1-2 best players from every all star team in a 400 mile radius and made a squad.



were you at traction in march?
Posted by HottyToddy7
Member since Sep 2010
14032 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 10:20 am to
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yet im the extreme one


You are teaching launch angle to 8 year olds, doing bat speed and velo chasing at 8 in the off-season. Yes you are extreme.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31441 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 10:21 am to
quote:

My apologies, I didn't mean to imply that you were the extreme pro of the topic. Most probably conflate that because of you being the most common poster.

I agree with you in a lot of your responses. My experiences do not reflect the divide you speak of in SWLA between AA/AAA in 9's. There could almost be sub-divisions and that's probably due to the lack of suitable rec leagues. We have played up an age division by the time spring rolls around in the time we have been doing this

no need to apologize, i was speaking of other posters and agreeing with you

im considered extreme for not being anti competitive sports

i also think a ton of the anti rhetoric you see comes from not being around it and believing stereo types and also alot of it comes from people who cant afford it and are pissed because their kids get left behind

i feel for those and maybe kids sports have gotten too competitive but when the big 5a powers in louisiana only take 9-10 kids max each year, you are going to see things become more competitive.

its not just baseball that is like this. soccer is same way, basketball.....even cheerleading and danceline are line that. its extremely competitive.

academics in the AP classes....much the same way. GPA of the top of the class continue to climb at the really good schools. the world has become a stupid competitive place at younger and younger ages.

facts are its not 1992 anymore just like things had changed from 1963 to 1993, same as 1993 to present day. things evolve. you either learn to be successful within these new changes or you get left behind. i dont have to like it to acknowledge it either.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31441 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 10:26 am to
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You are teaching launch angle to 8 year olds, doing bat speed and velo chasing at 8 in the off-season. Yes you are extreme.



so we shouldnt use objective data to see if we are improving or not?

so we should teach an 8 year old to hit the ball on the ground because other 8 years cant field at a high % rate? so what happens when they get to 10 and suddenly the other team isnt making those errors? if teaching the kid how to hit the ball correctly is teaching launch angle, guess i am.

bottomline is you have to have some kind of objective data to see if you are improving or not and like it or not.....the big field is coming and you either get prepared for it or you end up out of baseball before HS like so many other kids.

and yea shouldnt chase velo right...just let it come with age...thats how you end up with 14u kids that throw 65 and cant get the ball across the infield.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31441 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 10:28 am to
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High level Majors select ball in Houston is like if you took the 2 best players from every all star team in a 200 mile radius and made a squad.


its really like that in Louisiana too. these guys need to go watch the majors tournament in march in houston, the select series championships or hell turn on the PG national championships going on right now in southhaven.

hell TbT has a kid in that tourney throwing 73 from 46'

me and you both know the level of competition out there. BTW was that yall in the destin tourney?
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