re: FF16 no td01241 thread

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Out of curiosity, what do FF fans generally consider the last "true" game in the series? 12

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6-10 were the glory days. 12 battle system was completely different and was good I just thought the story was boring and FF is all about an interesting narrative. 8 was my personal fave but it was also the first one I ever played as a kid

They did a world wide poll a few years ago and 10 won as the best. Very surprising it wasn’t 7 as that’s the most beloved by the older generation

Just beat the game and I agree it was very easy. Svarog was probably the hardest boss in the game. Story was incredible imo.

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I just beat the game yesterday and here's my (spoiler-free outside of a couple of gameplay mechanics) mini-review of it:
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Pros:
- An epic Final Fantasy storyline
- Insanely fun combat system
- An absolute visual spectacle
- Great music, writing, and voice acting throughout

Cons:
- No party mechanics to speak of, you are a Lone Wolf the whole game
- Very limited character customization/growth options
- Limited replay value because of the above two things
- The visual spectacle wears off because it's part of every fight. It's like watching a Michael Bay movie. At first you're visually entranced but after the 100th battle, you start to get kinda numb to it.
- Given that you only get one character in the game, he's not particularly interesting in any way. There are some relatable themes with him like vengeance but overall he just grumbles and broods his way through every scene.

Scoring the game for what it is (a piece of entertainment), I'd give it an 8.5-9/10. Scoring it for what it's being marketed and sold as (a Final Fantasy game), I'd give it a 6.5-7/10.

For reference, I started playing the FF7 remake after this and after playing through the first few hours of it I think it is a MUCH better FF game even with the action-based combat.

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Just finished it myself. I tend to agree with all of this.
But I did not think the combat was "insanely" fun. It was too easy and repetitive outside of some of the bosses. The stagger elite enemies just got annoying to fight later in the game. No contest just a "bullet sponge" type of enemy.

The lack of RPG elements really didn't sit well with me for a FF game.

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Are all of the final fantasy games set up such that when you level up, it automatically levels up every stat

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No. Each FF has its own unique take on leveling up. There are FF games that do have an auto base stat increase each time you level up, but then you can usually customize the rest of your character in detail (fully customizable armor stats, weapon stats, magic, etc that add to the auto leveled base stats)

Then some of the leveling up systems are like their own strategic mini-game in themselves where the players have to strategize on how get the build that they want.

Here is the sphere grid used for leveling up in FFX that was pretty popular. You had to figure out how to get to certain spots on the grid to get the stats/magic that you wanted:


Job board in FFXII used for leveling up:

Great thread title! Been avoiding the game forum because of all the BS that poster was starting.

My FF highlights are numerous. I’m old enough to have played the original FF games on Nintendo and SNES, as well as the original Dragon Quests, all the way through the PS3 era. Haven’t played 14 or 15 or 7R. My favorite overall has to be FFVIII, which I had the 4-disc game on PC, because I related to Squall at the time, enjoyed how crazy the story got, and thought the FMVs/music were amazing. Enjoyed FFX and nearly 100%’ed it; only missed acquiring a couple ultimate weapons. Made it surprisingly far in X-2 but don’t recall finishing the game once I got into that huge tower. Also quite enjoyed the entire XIII trilogy on PS3. Still have those on disc and would replay them occasionally, but my old fat PS3 finally gave up on me. XIII might be my pick for the most cinematically (and possibly musically) vibrant and beautiful FF game which is why I enjoy going back for another replay.

As far as XVI goes…I bought the bundle, so this was my first PS5 game. Find most of the previous comments have been spot on. Bulldog’s post on the 1st page covers much of how I feel now. FFXVI is a movie presented through cut scenes. You playing the game is simply a medium to get from one to the next.

The initial spectacle of it all was the highlight of my first playthrough. Didn’t take me long to realize you’re a 1-man show and to pick up the combat system. Closest comparison for me was that FFXVI is reminiscent of Lightening Returns with ATB bars for big attacks.

The story presented was intriguing enough to keep me interested. Picked up the story line with no problems since it was basically watching a movie which often left me pondering was this really a game, a FF game. Was hoping the NG+ playthrough might change this take but it only got worse and I started skipping a majority of cut scenes which means there was no story being told at all. At stated earlier in this thread, little attention was afforded to including the story line progression into the more quiet parts of the game.

I guess most modern games have to force feed the player info and directly tell them where to go and what to do. Certainly not what I consider in the vein of the early FF titles. Where is the challenge??? If it isn’t found in the combat system (which it isn’t) or in grinding for levels/gear needed to proceed (which it isn’t), then it needs to be in progressing the story. I think this is why many, including myself, question whether this is truly a RPG; which may be the driver for pondering was this really a FF game.

Have now finished the game in both normal and NG+ FF mode. Did all side quests both times, leveled up to 100 in NG+, and acquired ultimate weapon/reinforced ouroboros gear. Just have to go back and complete all the eikon trials to platinum the game. FYI, those are much harder in FF mode. While I’ve beaten a couple trials in FF mode, I just don’t care enough at this point to fight through the rest. Plan to go back to my normal game save to wrap that up for the plat trophy.

It may be that I’m a bit burnt out at the moment, but I have absolutely no urge to play any part of the game again or look forward to any DLC. Honestly, that’s a bit disappointing. I think it is because the story line can only be followed 1 way with no deviation; leaving the player with no choices to be made leaving any impact on the game’s story. The entire main story and direction is presented in cut scenes not gameplay or through exploration. I miss the challenge of getting hints and directions to move the story forward in historical FF games. Now the combat system allows for some flexibility if you want to play with drastically different eikon set ups but that has less than zero effect on the story.

Did I enjoy the game, I absolutely did. Do I feel FF games are no longer FF games and wish the story was presented to the player more through actually playing the game with impactful choices to make, I absolutely do.

So finished up Waloed last night which brought me to the last story mission and opened up a ton of side quests. Figured tonight I'd spend a little bit finishing up all the side quests before finishing the game but holy shite there were so many of them. Took me 4 hours just to get through them all (while watching cut scenes) but I'm glad I did it because it really did bring a sense of closure to a lot of the running narratives throughout the game. The Torgal side quest was by far the best one.

One of the benefits of doing all that shite though was I got two Orichalcum from two of those side quests. I already had one from killing one of the notorious marks and I had the two dark steel and battle horn just from random marks I encountered throughout my playthrough. So I've got Gotterdammerung crafted and ready to go for the final mission .

Since its probably gonna be a breeze anyways I'm gonna spend tomorrow hunting down the last half dozen notorious marks I have left and then go kick the crap out of a god.

Yeah that whole sequence was pretty incredible

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the sequence that occurs where you ultimately acquire the gold/yellow colored eikon powers was fricking incredible as well

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good way to describe it without spoiling

yes, that was incredible, though it went on a little too long. I thought that it couldn't be topped, but the big one after that arguably beat it, pretty unbelievable