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re: "Literally Impossible": Trucking Companies Brace For California's 2024 Electric Mandate

Posted on 6/8/23 at 11:07 am to
Posted by RummelTiger
Texas
Member since Aug 2004
90192 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 11:07 am to
I'm going to start building rail yards in S. Vegas and Yuma, AZ tomorrow.

Rail all the shite coming into LB and mfg'd in CA to NV and AZ, and then truck it wherever it needs to go in the rest of the country.
Posted by Horsemeat
Truckin' somewhere in the US
Member since Dec 2014
13593 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 11:34 am to
It's digusting how California is holding the entire trucking industry by the balls and had their northern neighbors doing the same shite.

Wanna know why it takes three miles for a truck to get to 55 mph and why they slow down so much going up hills and mountains? California emissions neutered the power under the hood.

Wanna know why trucks have to get out in the left lane way sooner than normal to pass other trucks? California mandated the "assisted braking" nonsense which makes trucks stay certain distances from other vehicles. They have to move to the left lane then speed up. It's so damned stupid but those politicians don't have to deal with it on the roads.

This electric truck nonsense is never going to work, but they don't care because it they can be super smug about signing shite legislation that affects the whole country to get their names in the papers. For a truck stop to be able to charge all of the parked trucks overnight, they'll need the same amount of power used for a Super Bowl in the Superdome. That's EVERY TRUCK STOP in this country every night - not to mention all of the private parking lots and warehouses. Let's also talk about range. Are they magically going to pop up charging stations for thousands of trucks trying to get across the desert leaving Southern California? Or how's about that 12k ft climb to get up and over Donner to Reno and points west? The range on electric trucks is about 300 miles on flat land. That means for a truck driver would have to stop approx 10-15 times for several hours to get produce from the Mexican border up to the northeast, in comparison to 4 or 5 fuel stops that takes 15-20 minutes.

This is so stupid.
This post was edited on 6/8/23 at 11:36 am
Posted by Horsemeat
Truckin' somewhere in the US
Member since Dec 2014
13593 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 11:41 am to
Isn't that CP/KCS rail now?
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
31238 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 11:46 am to
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Just stop delivering goods to CA. Problem solved.


The problem is all those Asian goods we receive in the port of LA, not what we send there.
Posted by Floyd Dawg
Silver Creek, GA
Member since Jul 2018
4065 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 11:52 am to
Savannah as well. 2nd or 3rd largest port on East Coast and planning to expand again.
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
15309 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 11:55 am to
Anyone that supports this is a fricking idiot.
Posted by Horsemeat
Truckin' somewhere in the US
Member since Dec 2014
13593 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 11:55 am to
Savannah needs to expand truck parking, big time. Getting as bad as the northeast to find a parking spot out there in the southern half of i-95. I picked up a load of sugar from the port area and couldn't find a parking spot for 30 miles at 4pm.
Posted by concrete_tiger
Member since May 2020
6151 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 11:58 am to
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The problem is all those Asian goods we receive in the port of LA, not what we send there.


Plenty of other options, you just have to plan for extra time on the water. It can actually be cheaper to come to east coast.

Of course, I'd love to say frick both CA and China and just truck shite up from Mexico if we really need third world produced stuff.
Posted by WeareLATech
Member since Sep 2021
267 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 12:13 pm to
What would we be looking at per citizen to create a magnet train system like Japan has? Could existing tracks be retro fit?

This is what I am referencing LINK

This post was edited on 6/8/23 at 12:18 pm
Posted by AubieinNC2009
Mountain NC
Member since Dec 2018
5061 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 12:23 pm to
for a regional type carrier to charge all their trucks at once, i think I heard it would take more power than most normal sub stations have.
Posted by rhar61
Member since Nov 2022
5109 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 12:31 pm to
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for a regional type carrier to charge all their trucks at once, i think I heard it would take more power than most normal sub stations have.



I saw a clip of a congressional hearing this week, a guy was talking about making a request fo the draw to charge 30 something trucks, the power company thought the request was a joke because it was so huge.

The problem with moving the shipping to the East Coast is the contain er ships that don't fit through the Panama Canal. I don't know what percentage are too big, maybe someone else does. I don't know how going around the globe by the southern great circle looks in comparison to the northern one.
Posted by Jacherse
Member since Jul 2021
263 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 12:32 pm to
If the goal is propelling the prices of goods and services through the roof this will work.
Posted by BigBinBR
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2023
4570 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 12:54 pm to
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I really, really hope California continues to go all in on this and shows the rest of the country how truly stupid these mandates are in this day in age (and with current electric infrastructure).


All of the major companies want California’s business so bad that they conform. Then those companies pass the bullshite stuff down to us.

For instance CARB compliant is a California standard. But now you pretty much can’t buy something that isn’t CARB compliant because it’s not economical for a company to build 2 of the same thing with minor changes. So they only make the CARB compliant one.

This makes a California rule the de facto rule of the land.

So while I like to see stupid California feel good legislation fail, I know that I’m actually it’s going to be forced on all of us non-crazy people.
Posted by MyNameIsNobody
Member since Dec 2013
1138 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 1:13 pm to
you guys are lost on imports...what about exports? Thats gonna hurt everybody that buys fruits and nuts from California.

quote:

California Agriculture Facts California produces nearly half of U.S.-grown fruits, nuts and vegetables.

California is the only state in the U.S. to export the following commodities: almonds, artichokes, dates, dried plums, figs, garlic, kiwifruit, olives, pistachios, raisins and walnuts.

California agricultural products are shipped to 200 individual countries worldwide. Canada is the top export market, followed by the European Union, Japan, China and Mexico....


https://aeps.calpoly.edu/about/hortfacts
Posted by chrome_daddy
LA (Lower Ashvegas)
Member since May 2004
2095 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 1:55 pm to
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Savannah needs to expand truck parking, big time. Getting as bad as the northeast to find a parking spot out there in the southern half of i-95. I picked up a load of sugar from the port area and couldn't find a parking spot for 30 miles at 4pm.
And that's not to mention the 95 corridor there...always, always jammed. Forget going east.
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
15450 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 2:11 pm to
quote:

Just stop delivering goods to CA. Problem solved.





My very first thought. The people that make up these laws in California are fricking nuts.

Of course I'm sure they didn't factor in the additional cost of products being shipped in and out of that state when this mandate goes into effect.

Then let them pay $9 for a loaf of bread and $15 for a dozen eggs.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
40224 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 3:22 pm to
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I guess you could ship it to Seattle or expand rail use but you are adding to shipping costs massively.

If you have to go through the Panama Canal to FL, TX or GA you’ve added a ton of time and fuel costs to your shipping.

None of this is possible, because we don’t have the port capacity without the CA ports.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
16733 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 3:30 pm to
Just wait for a few EV big rigs to blow their battery packs climbing one of those passes, or the regenerative braking to fail going down. Imagine the clean up of a semi-tractor-sized lithium battery bank that underwent thermal runaway.
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
11091 posts
Posted on 6/9/23 at 4:39 am to
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The only thing happening in 2024 is a required increase inmanufacturing.
quote:

The California Air Resources Board, also called CARB, has required drayage fleets — the types of trucking companies that operate in ports — to only buy zero-emissions trucks starting Jan. 1, 2024.
Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
17145 posts
Posted on 6/9/23 at 7:39 am to
This is nothing more than a “looks good on paper” thing.

It needs to be put into play so the crash and burn can happen so they all realize that it’s just not ever gonna work
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