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re: Wes Johnson to be HC at Georgia

Posted on 6/5/23 at 4:56 pm to
Posted by The Eric
Louisiana
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Posted on 6/5/23 at 4:56 pm to
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What's your point? That because he didn't make it to Omaha l


The point is a coach can recruit and build a team that is stout and it not matter.

I’m not at all saying Vitello is bad. I wanted him at LSU before Jay.

I’m saying that winning is hard to do.

Building a program is even harder.

Wes may do great at Georgia, but my bet is he is back in the MLB in a few years
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
65422 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 4:56 pm to
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It means being the pitching coach at LSU and doing a good job should get you a better job than one that doesn’t care about baseball

Not sure he'd get a better job than an SEC job just sticking around as an assistant coach at LSU. Assistant coaches, regardless of where, don't typically make that type of jump. The only one from LSU I can think of who did was Cannizzaro. The rest have always gone to mid-majors or underwhelming P5s
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 6/5/23 at 4:56 pm to
I know this was his end game but I was hoping for a minimum of 2 seasons

Oh well…swing big Jay
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
72558 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 4:57 pm to
Bring Dan Cano home
Posted by GarTiger
West Monroe
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 6/5/23 at 4:57 pm to
Well Skenes in particular praises Wes and Floyd has given him credit for re-shaping his off-speed stuff. Look, I'm not taking sides. While Wes is a friend and a great person, his staff struggled most of the year and that's on him.
Posted by hashtag
Comfy, AF
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 6/5/23 at 4:57 pm to
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It's obvious though that him and JJ were having issues because JJ has been making almost all the mound visits for the last few weeks. Wes looks frustrated in the dugout. I have thoughts about JJ's staff handling style but will leave that out.

Maybe Wes should realize Jay's the head coach and can do whatever the eff he wants, eh?
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
65422 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 4:58 pm to
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Building a program is even harder.

Well Vitello has clearly done that. Went to a regional final in 2019 (year 2), COVID in year 3, the CWS in year 4, won the SEC in year 5 and choked in the supers, and are back in the supers this year with a great path to Omaha. Yes, winning is hard, especially in baseball, but he's built that program to being in play for the CWS annually in a pretty damn short amount of time.
This post was edited on 6/5/23 at 4:59 pm
Posted by The Eric
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
21053 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 4:58 pm to
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Well Skenes in particular praises Wes and Floyd has given him credit for re-shaping his off-speed stuff. Look, I'm not taking sides. While Wes is a friend and a great person, his staff struggled most of the year and that's on him.



You can be good at helping a guy develop stuff, but that doesn’t mean you are the best at deciding when it should be used or leaned on.
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
72558 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 4:58 pm to
Kendall Rogers reporting Campbell’s coach turned UGA down
Posted by lsutiger2
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2008
6273 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 4:59 pm to
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Maybe that’s why the pitching all of a sudden looks like they can get outs



I thought it was strange to stop seeing him go out there and call it a coincidence but no doubt the pitching got better when Jay started running out there. My Dad(played catcher at LSU) has a theory that Wes's prostyle message/mindset was not resonating well with college kids. Makes sense.
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
70904 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 5:00 pm to
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Kendall Rogers reporting Campbell’s coach turned UGA down


He doesn't need to go anywhere until he gets the offer he wants.

He's going to kill it wherever he ends up.
Posted by lsufan1971
Zachary
Member since Nov 2003
18496 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 5:00 pm to
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Georgia baseball is not some sleeping giant.


You’re wrong. There is a ton of HS talent in GA. They are getting serious about baseball. Wes isn’t taking a job where he can’t succeed.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 6/5/23 at 5:00 pm to
Lol bye
Posted by The Eric
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
21053 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 5:00 pm to
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Well Vitello has clearly done that. Went to a regional final in 2019 (year 2), COVID in year 3, the CWS in year 4, won the SEC in year 5 and choked in the supers, and are back in the supers this year with a great path to Omaha. Yes, winning is hard, especially in baseball, but he's built that program to being in play for the CWS annually in a pretty damn short amount of time.


I never said Vitello wasn’t good. I was making the point that you can recruit the best team on paper and not perform. This was all in regards to Wes and having “fertile” grounds in Georgia.
Posted by GarTiger
West Monroe
Member since Oct 2019
2293 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 5:01 pm to
Well JJ did call him "the best pitching coach on the planet" earlier in the season. I'm just saying, there's more to this story.
Posted by Bring Da Wood
Texas
Member since Dec 2006
1642 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 5:01 pm to
I know it’s been said that Wes called all the pitches per JJ. I felt like he didn’t mix up his pitches well for some guys. No idea if that caused any issues between he and JJ but I remember several pitch sequences where we would throw multiple breaking balls in a row. Even when the pitcher was struggling to find the zone with that pitch. Just seemed like a really different approach. I don’t think you can put the arm injuries on Wes with the numbers you see nationally either.
Posted by hashtag
Comfy, AF
Member since Aug 2005
27736 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 5:01 pm to
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My Dad(played catcher at LSU) has a theory that Wes's prostyle message/mindset was not resonating well with college kids. Makes sense.
it felt like Wes was trying to get them to throw perfect pitches instead of just getting them to throw good strikes. That's my theory at least. Most college kids can't throw perfect. So, they just walked everyone while continually trying to throw perfect pitches.
Posted by GarTiger
West Monroe
Member since Oct 2019
2293 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 5:01 pm to
Sure
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
9769 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 5:02 pm to
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Imagine causing three UCL tears


How did he cause them?
Posted by Sampson
Chicago
Member since Mar 2012
24579 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 5:02 pm to
Is this another Coach O/Canada clash
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