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re: Jay’s Gamble with Skenes Paid Off
Posted on 6/4/23 at 10:21 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 6/4/23 at 10:21 pm to Lester Earl
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Nah, I am very content right now and just carrying on the conversation.
I think it’s completely fair to say you didn’t like the decision. Not even gonna lie I was shocked by it. I just think some people took it a little too far saying it was the worst coaching decision in cbb history. Most of the arguments against it are really weak. Let’s just agree to disagree on whatever we are even disagreeing on and maybe we can say Jay probably knew a couple things none of us were privy to.
This post was edited on 6/4/23 at 10:30 pm
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Posted on 6/5/23 at 12:03 am to MikeTheTiger71
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It didn’t pay off
We are 2-0. We have Paul who will be operating on his full normal rest if we’re fortunate enough to win a game tomorrow. We had Hurd available to go today for 5 innings which he probably wouldn’t have been if someone else had started Friday night. We would have wasted one of the best pitchers in college baseball if he has started today.
I don’t know how it possibly could have worked out any better for us. Some just need to let this shite go.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 1:16 am to misey94
I don't get how people think anything that has happened, or could happen, justifies the move. When you say "set up perfectly", look at our options. We have rested pitchers, but we do not have reliable ones. We can hope that some of the more talented arms perform well. We have no choice.
There is no way yesterday's games should have been rained out. It was muffed by the NCAA, and there is no way to have predicted that. People are going to ignore the point and do whatever it takes to shove their narrative that it was some genius move down our throats. No matter how much of reality they have to ignore.
Nothing says that we have to lose because of it, and hopefully we'll finish the deal tomorrow. That is not going to change my opinion on the singular decision, for what it was. That decision is not going to win the regional. The regional will have to be won in spite of it.
There is no way yesterday's games should have been rained out. It was muffed by the NCAA, and there is no way to have predicted that. People are going to ignore the point and do whatever it takes to shove their narrative that it was some genius move down our throats. No matter how much of reality they have to ignore.
Nothing says that we have to lose because of it, and hopefully we'll finish the deal tomorrow. That is not going to change my opinion on the singular decision, for what it was. That decision is not going to win the regional. The regional will have to be won in spite of it.
This post was edited on 6/5/23 at 1:24 am
Posted on 6/5/23 at 1:28 am to MikeTheTiger71
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Flip flop Floyd and Skenes and the results are likely the same.
Except that we would NOT be set up nearly as well for next weekend and beyond, which was almost certainly the entire point of starting Skenes Friday.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 1:35 am to Metaloctopus
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We have rested pitchers, but we do not have reliable ones. We can hope that some of the more talented arms perform well. We have no choice.
We have one very reliable pitcher and he will be on full rest to open a super if we close this out because of the way things were handled. Ignore that all you want, but it’s the key to while thing.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 2:11 am to Metaloctopus
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Metaloctopus
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The regional will have to be won in spite of it.
I swear to god winning bums some of y’all out
Posted on 6/5/23 at 2:23 am to UpToPar
Since we're playing the "what if" game, what happens if Hurd starts game 1 and we lose? We're F'd, bc then we would have an uphill battle that our pen is not built for. Yes we would still have Skenes for game 2, but don't forget even after that we would still have to take 2 more games for the win.
You have to look at probability and risk assessment, which is what JJ did. Winning game 1 was priority. I just don't know why this concept is hard to understand.
You have to look at probability and risk assessment, which is what JJ did. Winning game 1 was priority. I just don't know why this concept is hard to understand.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 2:34 am to hall59tiger
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Yes, thank goodness Hurd was available today because he didn’t pitch vs Tulane. I feel like you are reaching so far down to find a reason to critique the skenes decision that you have lost yourself. There is no objective way to say it was the worst decision ever or the best decision ever. Probably a good decision that turned into a perfect decision with a little luck
If LSU saved Skenes for this second game then he would have wound up pitching on a Sunday and been out after only 3 innings. That would have sucked for several reasons. Then that means LSU would have probably pitched Floyd or Hurd in game one, so you don't have both today and you likely used other relief pitchers. I believe LSU needed both Floyd and Hurd today to win given the weather delay.
I suppose it is possible Floyd or Hurd could have saved the bullpen as well against Tulane and the other along with Skenes Sunday could have resulted in a win. Just not so sure. It still would have screwed up Skenes' schedule. Of course that wouldn't matter if you don't win. We still need to win this third game.
I disagreed with the decision to start Skenes game one, but it worked out well given the circumstances. I was not emotionally pissed off about it like others were, because I was waiting to see how it would play out first.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 4:04 am to spslayto
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Now this board can STFU about it.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 4:51 am to misey94
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It was typical LSU down the stretch, making it a little harder than it had to be. But to get two wins only using 4 pitchers and get the rest of the night off…huge
I think you are wrong. We won both games but since we burned Hurd, we are right where we didn’t want to be.
I’m not sure the rest of the guys are capable of swinging 9 decent innings together. Will it surprise you if we have to score 10+ to win on Mon?
The rain delay really hurt.
As for the decision to pitch Skenes on Fri, in hindsight you can pretty easily see why people wanted to throw Hurd on Fri.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 5:50 am to beauchristopher
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he would have wound up pitching on a Sunday and been out after only 3 innings.
When Skenes got through 70 pitches on Friday, he was through 5.1 ip.
Just because Floyd struggled through 3 doesn’t mean Skenes only gives you 3.
All that said, again, it doesn’t matter & you can’t really justify it due to an unforeseen rain delay
Posted on 6/5/23 at 5:58 am to Metaloctopus
"There is no way yesterday's games should have been rained out. It was muffed by the NCAA, and there is no way to have predicted that"
The decision was not "muffed" by the NCAA. There is no wiggle room when it comes to playing with lightening going on in the area. There was indeed a lot of lightening going on. Players', coaches', officials', and fan safety is paramount and non negotiable.
"That is not going to change my opinion on the singular decision, for what it was. That decision is not going to win the regional. The regional will have to be won in spite of it."
You need to reach a point in your life when you're able to "tip you cap to the other guy." You're far too concerned with
simply being right.
edited to put quotations on first paragraph
The decision was not "muffed" by the NCAA. There is no wiggle room when it comes to playing with lightening going on in the area. There was indeed a lot of lightening going on. Players', coaches', officials', and fan safety is paramount and non negotiable.
"That is not going to change my opinion on the singular decision, for what it was. That decision is not going to win the regional. The regional will have to be won in spite of it."
You need to reach a point in your life when you're able to "tip you cap to the other guy." You're far too concerned with
simply being right.
edited to put quotations on first paragraph
This post was edited on 6/5/23 at 6:00 am
Posted on 6/5/23 at 6:29 am to BeeFense5
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Gamble”.
I can just hear Skip saying something like…
‘Well guys, when no1 seeds win their first game, they have an 82% chance of winning the regional. Now, on the other side of that, when no1 seeds lose their first game, that drops to 21%’
Get out there and win the first one.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:35 am to MrWhipple
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WWSD…… Skip always said you do everything you can to stay out of the losers bracket.
SKIP was on record (prior to Gm #1) saying he would likely start Hurd (maybe it was Floyd?) vs THE Mighty Green Wave. You know that team CJJ & Co. did a DEEP, DEEP, DEEP dive into & were able to see things that nobody else saw. Apparently after said deep dive CJJ made the call to go w/Skenes.
At the time he made that call it seemed to me like that decision was CJJ coaching SCARED. He sent the best college pitching prospect in 20 years out to start against arguably the worst college baseball team to have ever made the Tournament.
BTW: It seems to have worked out but that so called “Red Hot” Green Wave team put up a total of 4 runs against LSU & SHSU in their 2 & Q regional appearance. Apparently the Greenies weren’t so Hot after all.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:40 am to misey94
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Except that we would NOT be set up nearly as well for next weekend and beyond, which was almost certainly the entire point of starting Skenes Friday.
So you think Skenes pitching 3 innings would have left him incapable of throwing at full capacity in Game 1 of the Supers?
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:43 am to Lester Earl
quote:We attempted 4 bunts on Friday. It was a tactic used to get just 1 or 2 runs guaranteed because we had Skenes pitching. The plan would have been very different with Floyd or Hurd starting. You need more runs so have to play for bigger innings. We could have won that game 11-4 throwing someone else then wholestaff. Then you are in the same position today. Skenes goes 3 maybe more because the innings aren’t so long. Then you have Hurd to clean up and we are likely winning by even more.
If Floyd gives you 7 and you are up big, it doesn’t matter who they put in.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 8:14 am to MikeTheTiger71
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So you think
so you think getting 3 innings out of one of the best pitchers in college baseball in a regional setting is a worthwhile gamble? And before we start with, no one knew weather would be a factor , the whole weekend, but for Friday was forecasted for the possibility of rain.
I will admit it that when you try to decide who starts what game the weather forecast probably isn’t a major factor, but it is a factor.
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