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re: Forbes - CEOs Will Be Clamping Down On Employees
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:37 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:37 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Just had our call telling us in 30 days, we would bump up to 2/3 days a week in and one week a quarter..
Fortune 250 company with too much real estate that was sitting unused as profits have gone bananas the last few years
Fortune 250 company with too much real estate that was sitting unused as profits have gone bananas the last few years
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:37 am to GreatLakesTiger24
What blows mymind is the people who are getting NEW jobs that are 100% remote.
How tf does a person get up to speed quickly and efficiently in that environment.
I can understand the people who have been doing the same 5 tasks for tye past 10 years being able to do those same 5 tasks remotely, but how do you start at a new place, with different ways of doing things while never meeting or sitting down with them face to face when you're first starting. Crazy to me.
How tf does a person get up to speed quickly and efficiently in that environment.
I can understand the people who have been doing the same 5 tasks for tye past 10 years being able to do those same 5 tasks remotely, but how do you start at a new place, with different ways of doing things while never meeting or sitting down with them face to face when you're first starting. Crazy to me.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:37 am to GreatLakesTiger24
We started assigning people a role in a meeting, like taking notes, and facilitation, in order to do that, they have to be standing there with the whiteboard and a marker
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:38 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Our CEO (Fortune 500 Company) hate WFH and doesn't want anyone working from home.
Lots of people, even senior management, still WFH.
My boss is WFH today, actually.
CEOs can say what they want, but the managers on the ground control this moreso than CEOs.
Lots of people, even senior management, still WFH.
My boss is WFH today, actually.
CEOs can say what they want, but the managers on the ground control this moreso than CEOs.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:38 am to tigerinthebueche
Nothing gets the boomer contingent more animated than WFH.
"We want a return to traditional values, more time and focus on family, revigoration of small towns and culture."
Also,
"Get back to working 60 hours in the cube with your two hour commute. Move to one of the few leftist hellholes because they offer the employment opportunities, local economies be damned."
"We want a return to traditional values, more time and focus on family, revigoration of small towns and culture."
Also,
"Get back to working 60 hours in the cube with your two hour commute. Move to one of the few leftist hellholes because they offer the employment opportunities, local economies be damned."
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:39 am to tigeraddict
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Its a no brainer. with corporations downsizing with a tanking economy, elect to cancel Work from home, and force everyone back to the office. a number will quit, and you dont have to pay severance packages or unemployment benefits
then you have a smaller number that has to be actually layed off.
Working from home was already a thing at my company (fortune 10) years before Rona. PM's that basically were in meetings all day would just work from home. If you process invoices all day, you work from home. Then a round of layoffs started with "everyone back in the office" which created a bunch of resignations. The line was "team atmosphere" but it was a shadow layoff. The big layoffs came a couple months later.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:41 am to JohnnyKilroy
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How tf does a person get up to speed quickly and efficiently in that environment.
All of my direct reports were 100% remote at my last job, and I hired several people I had to on-board remotely.
It's not exactly easy, but you can set expectations and hold people to them just like we used to in the office.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:41 am to Blaeke
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Nothing gets the boomer contingent more animated than WFH.
"We want a return to traditional values, more time and focus on family, revigoration of small towns and culture."
Also,
"Get back to working 60 hours in the cube with your two hour commute. Move to one of the few leftist hellholes because they offer the employment opportunities, local economies be damned."
I don't think it is a boomer thing, it is a blue collar thing. People with careers that require physically putting your hands on something, from a welder to a veterinarian, are the people I see sneering about WFH.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:41 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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you really think this is why the CEOs of firms such as Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase are bringing people back into the office? seriously?
Maybe not firms with as many assets as Goldman or JPM, but I definitely think commercial real estate costs are driving a lot of this. I worked for a decent sized bank at my last job and paying for but not using commercial real estate was mentioned more than once in the WFH debates.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:42 am to Oilfieldbiology
A "team" of professionals that works cohesively and efficiently to get done specific tasks should be able to work remotely IMO.
But the efficiency is lost when there are Teams meetings about meetings and everyone sits and watches someone draw dumb flow charts about absolutely nothing on virtual whiteboards.
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IMO middle management types who do nothing but organize teams and meetings and give banal overviews of vague and useless concepts were the hardest hit by the pandemic. But, survivors as they are, they've managed to regroup and have now layered remote work with the same dumb corporate bureaucracy stuff as the in-office environment tended to consist of.
But the efficiency is lost when there are Teams meetings about meetings and everyone sits and watches someone draw dumb flow charts about absolutely nothing on virtual whiteboards.
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IMO middle management types who do nothing but organize teams and meetings and give banal overviews of vague and useless concepts were the hardest hit by the pandemic. But, survivors as they are, they've managed to regroup and have now layered remote work with the same dumb corporate bureaucracy stuff as the in-office environment tended to consist of.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:43 am to Blaeke
quote:why would an employer gaf about an employee having a long commute and/or not liking the city they work in? they applied to the job
"Get back to working 60 hours in the cube with your two hour commute. Move to one of the few leftist hellholes because they offer the employment opportunities, local economies be damned."
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:43 am to Tommy Noble
Work from home long before covid. Takes someone with drive and self motivation to get things done. New generation lacks both so I can see why they want them back in the office.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:44 am to Pettifogger
quote:this
they've managed to regroup and have now layered remote work with the same dumb corporate bureaucracy stuff as the in-office environment tended to consist of.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:45 am to Pettifogger
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A "team" of professionals that works cohesively and efficiently to get done specific tasks should be able to work remotely IMO.
But you need the team already built. It’s a lot easier to build a team in person than it is remotely.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:46 am to JohnnyKilroy
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How tf does a person get up to speed quickly and efficiently in that environment.
You can't. There's no way in 99% of jobs.
That's why I've always said WFH should be a sort of benefit to tenured employees. After 6 months you can WFH 1 day a week, after 1 year 2 days a week, and then after 3 years 3 days a week. And so on.
That's for most jobs. There will be multiple people that come in discussing why their job is different, but that's a small percentage.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:48 am to Salmon
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CEOs can say what they want, but the managers on the ground control this moreso than CEOs
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:48 am to VADawg
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Maybe not firms with as many assets as Goldman or JPM, but I definitely think commercial real estate costs are driving a lot of this. I worked for a decent sized bank at my last job and paying for but not using commercial real estate was mentioned more than once in the WFH debates.
Don’t forget, many firms that are HQ’ed in very high price locations (NYC, San Francisco, LA, etc) pay employees for the cost of living. They don’t need to do that if you’re working remotely from middle of nowhere flyover country.
We have an issue with transferring people from the PNW to the gulf coast because the salaries required in the PNW are MUCH higher than those down here due to property costs, taxes, etc…
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:49 am to tigerinthebueche
when it comes to day to day operations? absolutely
not sure why you are laughing
not sure why you are laughing
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:50 am to USMCguy121
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CEOs can tongue my anus.
Sure they can, but will they?
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:51 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Banks and financial firms with an incentive to not let corporate realty to continue to get fricked demand workers show up at the office. Shocker.
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