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re: Forbes - CEOs Will Be Clamping Down On Employees
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:52 am to Blaeke
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:52 am to Blaeke
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Nothing gets the boomer contingent more animated than WFH.
Didn't realize Elon was a boomer. Maybe the guy(s) paying the salaries believe the return is better when the employee is in the office?
Oh well, just wait them out. You can get your remote position back.
Unless you've already been replaced.
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:52 am to JohnnyKilroy
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What blows mymind is the people who are getting NEW jobs that are 100% remote.
How tf does a person get up to speed quickly and efficiently in that environment.
I can understand the people who have been doing the same 5 tasks for tye past 10 years being able to do those same 5 tasks remotely, but how do you start at a new place, with different ways of doing things while never meeting or sitting down with them face to face when you're first starting. Crazy to me.
Can you not do this with zoom?
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:52 am to Oilfieldbiology
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But you need the team already built. It’s a lot easier to build a team in person than it is remotely.
When I managed a remote team, a big part of my job was playing "cruise director" for our on-site gatherings, which happened every 8 or 10 months. Like, how and when can we get all these people together in my city and what can we do that we can't do remotely? Harder than it sounds.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:54 am to GreatLakesTiger24
My company has been fully remote since 2012. It works for some industries and some people and for others it doesn't. I honestly don't know why everyone thinks it has to be one or the other. If you don't want to work in an office, put in the work to learn a skill that you can do from home and get that job. If you don't like feeling disconnected working from home all the time, then find a job where there is still an office or find a team like mine that will put up the coin to get people face to face every once in a while.
It's not that hard. Figure out what you want and then work to get it.
It's not that hard. Figure out what you want and then work to get it.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:55 am to GreatLakesTiger24
No amount of them being pissed that they are on the hook for paying for massive amounts of office space and buildings they don't need to function as companies or investment properties that are no longer being rented is going to make people suddenly believe that coming back into the office is legitimately needed for the vast majority of white collar jobs.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:55 am to c0rndogs
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honestly don't know why everyone thinks it has to be one or the other.
Because my way has to be 100% right or I’m 100% wrong and I won’t stand for that
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:56 am to baldona
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You can't. There's no way in 99% of jobs. That's why I've always said WFH should be a sort of benefit to tenured employees. After 6 months you can WFH 1 day a week, after 1 year 2 days a week, and then after 3 years 3 days a week. And so on. That's for most jobs. There will be multiple people that come in discussing why their job is different, but that's a small percentage.
I agree with this.
I got a new job in a related but different practice last year. I had 3 offers, 2 remote and 1 in office. I chose the in office job because I knew it would be hard as hell getting up to speed if me and everyone I worked with was fully remote.
Now about a year in I could do a day or two remote per week and probably not have much, if any drop off.
Feel like you learn so much in a new role in those first handful of months, regardless of how experienced you are in that industry, and a lot of that learning comes with the relatively easy access to people and resources you get at an in person office.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:57 am to Salmon
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when it comes to day to day operations? absolutely
not sure why you are laughing
Who do you think is telling the managers what to do day to day? I'm laughing because you say
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CEOs can say what they want
good ones do. And managers do what they say.
Thats why its good to be the (big) boss.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:57 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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why would an employer gaf about an employee having a long commute and/or not liking the city they work in? they applied to the job
Where did I say anything about the employer?
It's the same group complaining about WFH that also complains about the brain drain of Louisiana, children being indoctrinated by the cultural milieu of urban metros, small towns dying, parents spending less time with their kids.
But they're so blinded by their sour grapes and antiquated work outlook that they fail to see the benefits.
It's such a weird hill for conservatives to die on, you'd think they would be pro-WFH.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:00 pm to tigerinthebueche
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Who do you think is telling the managers what to do day to day? I'm laughing because you say
not the CEO
the VPs, then directors, then managers, etc.
I don't think you understand large corporate world
Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:01 pm to JohnnyKilroy
It just depends. We are a 100% remote company because we have no choice -- our employees all live in different states. That said, we only hire people familiar with our little world, so they already understand the work to at least a decent extent.
Learned that lesson the hard way.
Overall I see both sides. I've seen plenty of people land WFH jobs and get absolutely nothing done, and then I see people like our current team doing great things from home.
One thing I think the die-hard WFHers on Reddit don't think about is how fully remote work would phase out a lot of jobs that exist purely from a warm body standpoint. Most companies with boomer leadership have a lot of employees who basically just.. sit around waiting to be asked to scan something for their bosses or whatever.
You send everyone home, those positions are gone. Receptionists, admin assistants, etc.. there's no need for those once you're remote.
Learned that lesson the hard way.
Overall I see both sides. I've seen plenty of people land WFH jobs and get absolutely nothing done, and then I see people like our current team doing great things from home.
One thing I think the die-hard WFHers on Reddit don't think about is how fully remote work would phase out a lot of jobs that exist purely from a warm body standpoint. Most companies with boomer leadership have a lot of employees who basically just.. sit around waiting to be asked to scan something for their bosses or whatever.
You send everyone home, those positions are gone. Receptionists, admin assistants, etc.. there's no need for those once you're remote.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:08 pm to baldona
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That's why I've always said WFH should be a sort of benefit to tenured employees. After 6 months you can WFH 1 day a week, after 1 year 2 days a week, and then after 3 years 3 days a week. And so on.
I work remotely more often than I go to the office but I go in a day or two per week most of the time. I agree that it's more difficult for new employees. I've been in this job for 11 years though. Sometimes I go in just because I'm tired of being at home
Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:08 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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I recall seeing a lot of people here saying "if WFH isn't working, your company is poorly managed". Hmmm.
They are either poorly managed, or their employees are not at the professional level to work remotely.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:11 pm to Blaeke
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It's such a weird hill for conservatives to die on, you'd think they would be pro-WFH.
Not sure I’ve ever seen it broken down along ideological lines.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:12 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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why would an employer gaf about an employee having a long commute and/or not liking the city they work in? they applied to the job
its all about the employee market vs employers market. When they are not enough skilled workers to fill openings, employees have to bend to the demands of the employees. when the economy is tanking and it becomes an employers market, they can set demands because worker aren't guaranteed to find something better elsewhere.
typical working market power pendulum
Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:12 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
OMG that will cut into their gaming time
Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:16 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
I have been remote for 3 years now.
I have been super productive since I do not have people constantly pestering me. It's been convenient but there are a few negatives.
1. As a Manager, it's a frickin almost impossible situation to keep people accountable if you don't have an absolute great team in place.
If the organization forces you into compliance or certification of time/work, it's a complete loser. I can't account for 20 digital workers besides seeing a green dot on Teams. Heck, they give out phones with Teams on them that make you seem present and available.
2. I think remote work limits your ability to network and really advocate for yourself within a large organization. You become a true number. Just my opinion.
I have been super productive since I do not have people constantly pestering me. It's been convenient but there are a few negatives.
1. As a Manager, it's a frickin almost impossible situation to keep people accountable if you don't have an absolute great team in place.
If the organization forces you into compliance or certification of time/work, it's a complete loser. I can't account for 20 digital workers besides seeing a green dot on Teams. Heck, they give out phones with Teams on them that make you seem present and available.
2. I think remote work limits your ability to network and really advocate for yourself within a large organization. You become a true number. Just my opinion.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:18 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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What blows mymind is the people who are getting NEW jobs that are 100% remote.
How tf does a person get up to speed quickly and efficiently in that environment.
I can understand the people who have been doing the same 5 tasks for tye past 10 years being able to do those same 5 tasks remotely, but how do you start at a new place, with different ways of doing things while never meeting or sitting down with them face to face when you're first starting. Crazy to me.
I've worked remotely for the vast majority of my career, I'm a consultant at this point and we take on new clients often. Taking on a new client is essentially like starting a new job. We always have a 2 week onsite when we start with a new client and have what we call a "discovery session" where we learn how the client performs their work (we're all experts in the work but there are nuances depending upon the client). At the beginning we also have Zoom/Teams sessions for them to show us other workflows if they didn't get to cover something during the Discovery session. Having open lines of communication is key, whether in person or remote. I don't really see hitting someone up on Teams as that different from walking into someone's office. If needed, we call and talk via Teams as well.
I don't think remote working works that well for most entry level employees (although I did it 10+ years ago).
Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:22 pm to tigeraddict
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a number will quit, and you dont have to pay severance packages or unemployment benefits
True, but they the boss isn’t selecting who gets laid off. Your point of view leaves it up to the employee to get ‘laid off’ or not. That strategy will fail.
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