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re: Oregon Gov. Kate Brown commutes sentences of all death row inmates
Posted on 12/14/22 at 12:55 pm to texasmason
Posted on 12/14/22 at 12:55 pm to texasmason
Life without parole is fine by me.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 1:36 pm to AwesomeSauce
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You're probably right though, the government should allow terminating the lives of babies
You just insist on having the government all up in people's business, don't you? I would rather minimize the impact of government in citizens' lives.
I don't want the government taking citizens lives, and I don't want the government telling women they have to have babies.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 1:36 pm to USMCguy121
quote:Oregon- beautiful state. Portland? Total dumpster.
frick that count, people like her ruin Oregon
I was there last week and was stunned by the amount of homeless lining the streets. Just behind the Jubitz truck stop on Marine Dr is hundreds and hundreds of tents, broken down rv's, and heaps of garbage. It's horrible what that city has become.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 1:43 pm to soccerfüt
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Rules for thee, not for me.
Doesn’t apply here.
But I don’t agree with the move.
I am A death pentalty supporter, I would Change a few things but I think There is a place for it.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 2:20 pm to texasmason
The arguments for this, from Oregonians are:
1) it is cheaper to keep someone alive than execute them (google it)
2) the state should never have the power to kill someone, especially since 5% of those killed were actually innocent
3) mental toll on a person who has to do the execution
4) oregon hasn’t executed anyone since 1997, why start again now
1) it is cheaper to keep someone alive than execute them (google it)
2) the state should never have the power to kill someone, especially since 5% of those killed were actually innocent
3) mental toll on a person who has to do the execution
4) oregon hasn’t executed anyone since 1997, why start again now
Posted on 12/14/22 at 2:25 pm to BayouBlitz
quote:You don't know that the political winds might change in Oregon. You can't say who will be in office 10 years from now. .
. None of these people were going to get executed
Posted on 12/14/22 at 3:30 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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the government should allow terminating the lives of babies
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I don't want the government telling women they have to have babies.
So you are pro infanticide(murder)?
I don’t get the mindset of leftists.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 3:32 pm to Jake88
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You can't say who will be in office 10 years from now. .
No, but the odds are pretty high that whomever (whatever) it is will be a commie.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 3:37 pm to texasmason
quote:Did any of the 17 death row inmates have a chance of getting executed anyway?
No prisoner in Oregon has been executed in 25 years.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 3:40 pm to jimmy the leg
This thread is very political. Time to RA
Posted on 12/14/22 at 3:42 pm to Oates Mustache
This thread needs to be moved to the Poli Board
Posted on 12/14/22 at 3:50 pm to Toroballistic
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Do you not understand how the justice system works?
Understanding how the justice system works is why I think it's pretty crazy to support the death penalty.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 3:51 pm to Jay Are
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Understanding how the justice system works
And you understand that the appeals process for death penalty cases is extremely meticulous then wouldn’t you?
Posted on 12/14/22 at 3:54 pm to jimmy the leg
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So you are pro infanticide(murder)?
So you are pro homicide because you support the death penalty?
It is possible to not want the government to force women to have babies and at the same time not want women to terminate pregnancies. Just because something's not against the law doesn't mean everyone has to do it.
But this is starting to get political, so I'll make this my last post ITT.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 4:26 pm to Old Money
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1) it is cheaper to keep someone alive than execute them (google it)
This isn't a cost of imprisonment vs execution, but rather all the additional court costs and burden that is gathered through exhaustion of appeals.
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2) the state should never have the power to kill someone, especially since 5% of those killed were actually innocent
The stat is a bit construed. It is 3800 have been executed and 190 have been exonerated since 1973. There have been roughly 10,000 convicted and sentenced to death row in that time, meaning the actual number is closer to 2% of those convicted were innocent. Still too high, just not quite the 5% of the people executed were actually innocent. I'd say maybe that's a Oregon only number, but they haven't had any death row cases exonerated during that span.
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3) mental toll on a person who has to do the execution
It cannot be any different than the mental toll of a practitioner who conducts abortions. I'd argue lethal injection vs abortion methods, especially at the latter end of the first trimester, that the abortion would have a higher mental toll.
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4) oregon hasn’t executed anyone since 1997, why start again now
Honestly they should have removed it as a sentence at this point. Agree or not, if the act is heinous enough, and a jury of their peers says this is the only way justice can be administered, then it should be carried out. If Life without Parole is the harshest and that is what they receive, then so be it as long as it is carried out. The 17 individuals whose sentences have been commuted are fully available to look up. There are a couple I pause on as without everything I don't know that I agree with it. The rest though... the sick shite they did with no regret in their testimonies... frick man... I have a hard time agreeing they deserve to have their sentence commuted.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 4:43 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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So you are pro homicide because you support the death penalty?
You will have to point out where I said this.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 5:01 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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You just insist on having the government all up in people's business, don't you?
Not at all. I just find it disingenuous to argue that someone who committed some of the crimes these 17 in particular have done deserves to live, and then arguing in the next breath that the 275,982 voluntary abortions carried out in Oregon since the last execution is ok.
quote:See, I can't wrap my head around the morality here. 31 lives are terminated with consent of the state of Oregon every day, but as long as it is someone innocent who has no choice, then you are ok with their removal from society. Once that person has a choice and takes the lives of others... then that's where you stand your ground and say NO!
I don't want the government taking citizens lives, and I don't want the government telling women they have to have babies.
My argument wasn't pro-execution or anti-abortion. Only that both are legal in Oregon today, yet only one is being carried out. I don't understand cheering for one and not the other. Especially when one is yay the child rapists get to live, and the other is yay 11,000 women per year got to terminate lives! At least I can somewhat understand where the pro-life side is coming from when they say kill the guy who laughs at the family of a 12 year old boy he strangled and then sodomized, and then turn around and say don't hurt that innocent baby. The other side of the coin, I don't get. If both are legal, then both should be carried out. If one is legal and the other isn't... fine. Just don't try and morally object to one ad condone the other.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 5:27 pm to jimmy the leg
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So you are pro infanticide(murder)?
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You will have to point out where I said this.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 5:39 pm to wileyjones
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Spitting in the face of every DA, judge, and jury member who worked on these cases, not to mention the victims
It's progressive
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