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re: Oregon Gov. Kate Brown commutes sentences of all death row inmates
Posted on 12/15/22 at 1:40 am to DirtyDawg
Posted on 12/15/22 at 1:40 am to DirtyDawg
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Scary how many "small-government conservatives" around here are totally ok with the state having the authority to kill one of its own citizens.
The government isn’t electing to kill people of their own volition. A jury of other citizens are based on crimes committed. The state is just the hangman following orders from the citizens.
Abortions are unilateral decisions made by mothers with innocent unborn babies being those killed without any burden needing to be met. Just a meeting with a doctor. Babies are aborted by the hundreds of thousands. Fewer than 1600 people have been executed in this country the last 50 years.
This post was edited on 12/15/22 at 1:44 am
Posted on 12/15/22 at 1:44 am to lsufball19
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The government isn’t ejecting to kill people. A jury of other citizens are.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 1:47 am to Dire Wolf
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the fairly regular occurrence of death row inmates being found innocent prevents the state from doing this.
That number is 190 since 1973. I wouldn’t call that “fairly regular”
Posted on 12/15/22 at 7:57 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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WildTchoupitoulas
What do you think is not accurate about that?
Posted on 12/15/22 at 8:00 am to lsufball19
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The state is just the hangman following orders from the citizens.
The state sets the procedures by which an individual can be put to death. Their agents elect to seek the death penalty in the first place. They are active participants in its application and implementation. And even assuming that they aren't, why should I have any faith that 12 average Americans won't make a mistake?
Posted on 12/15/22 at 8:56 am to SCLibertarian
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And even assuming that they aren't, why should I have any faith that 12 average Americans won't make a mistake?
I don’t think infallible juries and the death penalty necessarily have to be mutually exclusive. So what’s the trade off here? Being thrown in a concrete box the rest of your life when a jury makes a mistake? I’ve heard people argue that’s worse than a death sentence
I’d prefer to take the obviously and admittedly guilty people out back and shoot them between the eyes or have a public hanging. Much cheaper and quicker
This post was edited on 12/15/22 at 8:59 am
Posted on 12/15/22 at 8:58 am to texasmason
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she is commuting the sentences of the state's 17 inmates on death row, noting that their sentences will be changed to life in prison without the possibility of parole.
Pass the bill to keep these criminals alive until they die to her.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 9:00 am to Blutarsky
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Pass the bill to keep these criminals alive until they die to her.
Or just give them supervised house arrest…at her house
Posted on 12/15/22 at 9:06 am to lsufball19
Go back to work crews so they at least provide something other than being a money drain.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 9:19 am to texasmason
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"I have long believed that justice is not advanced by taking a life, and the state should not be in the business of executing people — even if a terrible crime placed them in prison," Brown said in a statement.
I mean, that's true, to say nothing of the wrongfully convicted. Plus, somehow, it's apparently cheaper to have someone on a life sentence than death row.
It makes economic and policy sense. Plus I don't believe God has some desire to see us necessarily execute people. Maybe vult leaders and the Hitlers of the world so radical followers don't break them out. But incarceration has certain purposes: rehabilitation (the effectiveness of that is highly debatable, but I think we could make our system better at that); protection of society (just keep murderers away from society simply so society isn't hurt, which has nothing to do with punishment); and then punishment.
Punishment is the least relevant reason to send someone to prison. Sure, we need to protect society and hopefully "fix" the broken. That won't always work, of course. But as to punishment, it's really just retribution. It's not forgiveness, which I think actually has more to do with the victim being able to rationalize and then move on to not be burdened with that harm repeatedly forever more. So punishment is just an eye for an eye thing. It's base. Primal. It's not the point and doesn't fix or further anything. The only thing it might do is deter the certain of murders. But at that point, that kind of murderer will not be deterred by possible death. They've made up their mind.
So I just don't know that the death penalty 1) financially makes sense, 2) has little to do with justice and in fact negatively affects hustice in a big way, and 3) does not exactly comport with a Christian approach--which is not to necessarily have sympathy for child rapists, etc. but more so to help victims and move society away from reciprocating brutality.
Having said all that, if I got my hands on the mf'er what rapes or kills my wife or kids, all that pontificating will probably have to be used on me, cuz that'll be one quick (but maybe not too quick) execution.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 9:43 am to texasmason
Bet if one of those inmates had murdered a family member, she'd feel different
But she's a liberal so maybe not
But she's a liberal so maybe not
Posted on 12/15/22 at 10:26 am to lsusteve1
Should be executed immediately. Death Row can be for years.
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