re: Oregon Gov. Kate Brown commutes sentences of all death row inmates

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I just find it disingenuous to argue that someone who committed some of the crimes these 17 in particular have done deserves to live, and then arguing in the next breath that the 275,982 voluntary abortions carried out in Oregon since the last execution is ok.

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Me too.

You can be against the government telling women they have to have babies, AND against abortion at the same time. Just because I don't want the government to force the woman to have the baby doesn't mean I want her to abort it.

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I can't wrap my head around the morality here.

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Obviously.

It's probably all the wrong assumptions you allow yourself to make.

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So you are pro infanticide(murder)?

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I mean, live babies are...alive.

You posted:

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the government should allow terminating the lives of babies

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It just seems odd to me to have that view.

I’m pro-life, and I’m against capital punishment. I strive to be consistent in the application of my beliefs.

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So you are pro homicide because you support the death penalty?

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Again...

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You will have to point out where I said this.

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I put the quote above.

ETA - Here it is again:

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the government should allow terminating the lives of babies

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Posted by WildTchoupitoulas online on 12/14/22 at 1:36 pm to AwesomeSauce quote: You're probably right though, the government should allow terminating the lives of babies You just insist on having the government all up in people's business, don't you? I would rather minimize the impact of government in citizens' lives. I don't want the government taking citizens lives, and I don't want the government telling women they have to have babies. ReplyOptionsTop up vote1down vote0

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Look again,

"...quote: You're probably right though, the government should allow terminating the lives of babies"

I was quoting AwesomeSauces post.

Here's his/her/its post:

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I wonder if there will be a push to retry these cases now like there was in 2006 when Oregon changed their Death Penalty laws? I think they cut that short and closed that loophole after one of the guys still on their death row killed two young girls in separate incidents while he was being retried. You can see what these inmates did to get on death row. Even see transcripts where the majority of the 17 confessed and even reveled in it. You're probably right though, the government should allow terminating the lives of babies if they are inconvenient, but keep alive the guy who raped and killed a 3 year old. Also the five guys who committed varying murders and assaults on kids from 8-15, they obviously deserve the state paying six figures annually to keep them alive. Priorities! Death to unwanted babies, keep alive the guy who killed a teenage couple and raped and sodomized them. The US prison system needs to be overhauled and corrected... absolutely. The most heinous and violent members of society need to be removed from society and resources that could better society by rehabbing those that can, and lifting up those in need do not need to be wasted on them... absolutely. There are finite resources allotted to society. We cannot afford to contribute to keeping alive someone who raped and murdered children while we continue to fail children who have to rely on charity and school to be warm and eat because the EBT ran out due to improper funding, or frivolous spending, and dad is serving for strike three on possession. Spend the money on the next generation, not on those who have already cost taxpayers millions, and will only cost us more.

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...where Awesome said it mocking me, and not in a serious way.

This was my response where I quote Awesome saying that:

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The problem with AwesomeSauce, and many others, is the inability to understand that one can be against government prohibitions against abortion and yet still be against abortion itself at the same time.

This is easily seen once you stop insisting that the government try to solve all of our perceived problems. Maybe there are other ways to stop abortions without involving the government forcing women to give birth against their will.

So you weren't lying, just confused. I apologize for calling you a liar.

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Oregon Gov. Kate Brown

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Request that this political thread be moved to the appropriate board

Man y’all are some incredibly fragile personalities

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Man y’all are some incredibly fragile personalities

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Rules are rules

F’n whore

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Didn't are discussion start with you assuming my stance?!

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No.

Here is my first post ITT, responding to the OP:

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Good.

I hate to see the government taking citizens lives.

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This was your response to my post:

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I wonder if there will be a push to retry these cases now like there was in 2006 when Oregon changed their Death Penalty laws? I think they cut that short and closed that loophole after one of the guys still on their death row killed two young girls in separate incidents while he was being retried.

You can see what these inmates did to get on death row. Even see transcripts where the majority of the 17 confessed and even reveled in it. You're probably right though, the government should allow terminating the lives of babies if they are inconvenient, but keep alive the guy who raped and killed a 3 year old. Also the five guys who committed varying murders and assaults on kids from 8-15, they obviously deserve the state paying six figures annually to keep them alive. Priorities! Death to unwanted babies, keep alive the guy who killed a teenage couple and raped and sodomized them.

The US prison system needs to be overhauled and corrected... absolutely. The most heinous and violent members of society need to be removed from society and resources that could better society by rehabbing those that can, and lifting up those in need do not need to be wasted on them... absolutely. There are finite resources allotted to society. We cannot afford to contribute to keeping alive someone who raped and murdered children while we continue to fail children who have to rely on charity and school to be warm and eat because the EBT ran out due to improper funding, or frivolous spending, and dad is serving for strike three on possession. Spend the money on the next generation, not on those who have already cost taxpayers millions, and will only cost us more.

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I suspect that you may have thought you were responding to someone else.

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My qualm with this decision is that this commuting of the sentences was well received by the same circle that protested and threatened lives just a few months ago when Roe v Wade was ruled unconstitutional.

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Yes, hypocrites exist. Not much you can do about it. I try not to let that influence what I'm willing to accept from the government.

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Also apologies that quoting me apparently had posters thinking you advocated for killing babies.

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Meh, I've done time on the Poli board. This place is downright civilized comparatively.

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I am not against the death penalty in theory but in practice, all it does is cost more money due to appeals and we have killed innocent people

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I’ve got some oceanfront property in Kansas to sell you if you think people sentenced to life are not doing the same appeals costing the tax payers the same amount of money…..