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Here's what Rogan bro Republicans who disdain the Christian Right don't get
Posted on 9/15/22 at 6:38 am
Posted on 9/15/22 at 6:38 am
I'm specifically describing the small L libertarians who don't like excessive government spending, high taxes, all the wokeness, Covid/medical tyranny, and the surveillance state. But at the same time, will bitch about evangelicals and traditional Catholics for their stances on abortion and traditional marriage, and they will say that the Christian right is holding them back.
I would say just the opposite. It is the hedonistic low tax degenerates who are holding back our side. I say this, because it takes a moral citizenry to elect a moral government who will respect and protect the citizens God given or natural rights spelled out in the Constitution.
So even if you, yourself are not a believer and consider yourself non-religous, that is fine. However, you should still want to live in a Chrsitian and Biblical centric society, and respect that tradition and moral standard, because history has shown that Christian/Biblical centric societies are the most prosperous and free countries.
Where as the alternative with Islam (you get Sharia Law), with Hindu (you get the caste system), with Atheism (you get communism), with pagan religions (you get human sacrifice and cannibalism).
So to simply put. They (secular libertarian types) can't have their cake and eat it too. They can't have their low taxes, low inflation, and a non-intrusive government... but also have your atheistic society filled with abortion mills and LGBT sexual deviance. They don't and won't ever go together.
I would say just the opposite. It is the hedonistic low tax degenerates who are holding back our side. I say this, because it takes a moral citizenry to elect a moral government who will respect and protect the citizens God given or natural rights spelled out in the Constitution.
So even if you, yourself are not a believer and consider yourself non-religous, that is fine. However, you should still want to live in a Chrsitian and Biblical centric society, and respect that tradition and moral standard, because history has shown that Christian/Biblical centric societies are the most prosperous and free countries.
Where as the alternative with Islam (you get Sharia Law), with Hindu (you get the caste system), with Atheism (you get communism), with pagan religions (you get human sacrifice and cannibalism).
So to simply put. They (secular libertarian types) can't have their cake and eat it too. They can't have their low taxes, low inflation, and a non-intrusive government... but also have your atheistic society filled with abortion mills and LGBT sexual deviance. They don't and won't ever go together.
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 6:47 am to burger bearcat
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I'm specifically describing the small L libertarians who don't like excessive government spending, high taxes, all the wokeness, Covid/medical tyranny, and the surveillance state. But at the same time
Where the frick do I sign up?
You don't get it. The problem is with the excessive government spending, high taxes, not even wokeness, tyranny and the police state. The problem with Republicans isn't their social branding, it is their spending, taxing, tyranny and police state. IDGAF about peoples moral decisions and honestly could go either way on the most controversial topics because while I am morally against most of the bad things I also don't want to enforce my morals on anyone, nor do I want someone else's morals enforced on me. So your politicians stance on abortion, gay marriage, whatever other moral branding they want to portray, IDGAF. The politicians actions on SPENDING and growing/shrinking government is what I am looking at.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 6:54 am to burger bearcat
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Christian/Biblical centric societies are the most prosperous and free countries
What about the 800-900 years of dark ages? The church rule led to a massive class of under-fed, uneducated, non land owning serfs which was setup to maintain church dominance.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 6:55 am to burger bearcat
The Christian tide raises all boats!
Posted on 9/15/22 at 6:56 am to DellTronJon
Overly simplistic
Posted on 9/15/22 at 6:58 am to armsdealer
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You don't get it. The problem is with the excessive government spending, high taxes, not even wokeness, tyranny and the police state. The problem with Republicans isn't their social branding, it is their spending, taxing, tyranny and police state. IDGAF about peoples moral decisions and honestly could go either way on the most controversial topics because while I am morally against most of the bad things I also don't want to enforce my morals on anyone, nor do I want someone else's morals enforced on me.
Do you have kids?
Because the left would take them and carve them up and to them that’s the moral thing to do.
I actually don’t think you get it.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 7:08 am to DellTronJon
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What about the 800-900 years of dark ages? The church rule led to a massive class of under-fed, uneducated, non land owning serfs which was setup to maintain church dominance.
I think if your reference point bone-of-contention goes back that far, you've lost the argument.
Modern Christians are the least biggest threat on the planet right now.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 7:19 am to burger bearcat
You don’t need to be religious to understand that killing a baby in utero is bad.
Bill Burr made a great point about it. He basically says he is pro women doing what they want with their bodies; however, no matter how you slice it you’re still killing a baby.
When people say it’s not a baby yet he uses the analogy of baking a cake. If you mix the matter and put it in the oven to cook then after 10 min someone pulls the pan out and throws it on the floor and ruins the cake. People would say it wasn’t a cake yet and his response would be well it would’ve been if you let it alone for another 45min.
Bill Burr made a great point about it. He basically says he is pro women doing what they want with their bodies; however, no matter how you slice it you’re still killing a baby.
When people say it’s not a baby yet he uses the analogy of baking a cake. If you mix the matter and put it in the oven to cook then after 10 min someone pulls the pan out and throws it on the floor and ruins the cake. People would say it wasn’t a cake yet and his response would be well it would’ve been if you let it alone for another 45min.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 7:21 am to dgnx6
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Because the left would take them and carve them up and to them that’s the moral thing to do.
I grew up in an area that was dominated by Evangelical and extremist Baptist types. To me, this is a tomato/tomato scenario.
I don't care about living in a Christian nation if public power is neutered so that religion was left to the truly private areas. That's why I think your OP is a false choice of sorts. You're creating a paradigm in your head (and OP) that isn't really what's being argued for by the side you're attacking. Some would call that a straw man.
The Left can only take and brainwash your children in large numbers with public power behind them.
The religions extremists can only take and brainwash your children in large numbers with public power behind them.
Remove the public power and the polarity subsides and the threat level decreases and personal decisions (like religion) return to the personal.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 7:23 am to STEVED00
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Bill Burr made a great point about it. He basically says he is pro women doing what they want with their bodies; however, no matter how you slice it you’re still killing a baby.
I have argued similar stances for years, but abortion is just a really bad issue for either side to hang their hat on. That discussion involves a lot of science (that's still developing and changing the argument every year) and philosophy (which becomes very subjective) which just creates a perpetual discussion.
Focusing the religious discussion (by both sides) on abortion is simple-minded propagandizing to promote polarity (and then the next step: more power to protect our side from the other side).
Posted on 9/15/22 at 7:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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I have argued similar stances for years, but abortion is just a really bad issue for either side to hang their hat on.
I will hang out my hat on not allowing innocent human lives to be slaughtered and mutilated by the millions.
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Focusing the religious discussion (by both sides) on abortion is simple-minded propagandizing to promote polarity
It's amazing how far some of you will go to rationalize murdering babies. God (whether you believe in him or not) doesn't take kindly to a society who openly accepts the murder of children. The evidence is all around us.
This post was edited on 9/15/22 at 7:35 am
Posted on 9/15/22 at 7:41 am to DellTronJon
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What about the 800-900 years of dark ages? The church rule led to a massive class of under-fed, uneducated, non land owning serfs which was setup to maintain church dominance.
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Don't fear. And change your "church" reference to the specific religion system you reference. Is it Mormons? Presbyterians? Baptists? Lutherans? Non-denoms? Church of England Kings?
Posted on 9/15/22 at 7:45 am to Paddyshack
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It's amazing how far some of you will go to rationalize murdering babies.
Abortion is the rotten fruit of the tree of the Sexual Revolution and Feminism.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 7:49 am to Paddyshack
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I will hang out my hat on not allowing innocent human lives to be slaughtered and mutilated by the millions.
We are having a non-emotional discussion here.
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It's amazing how far some of you will go to rationalize murdering babies.
You can take the emotional arguments to another thread or message board.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 7:50 am to the808bass
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Abortion is the rotten fruit of the tree of the Sexual Revolution and Feminism.
From a purely game theory/personal protection argument, it's pretty easy to understand why it's so important to left-feminist women.
They #1 factor that creates the wealth gap is having children
Posted on 9/15/22 at 7:55 am to dgnx6
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I actually don’t think you get it.
Any time someone says “I don’t want to enforce my morals on anyone” that’s a safe bet.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 7:56 am to burger bearcat
Here's a summary version of my interpretation of what you're trying to say:
Without any moral compass, we will just spin in circles and blame the 'other' party ad infinitum.
A moral compass requires introspection, taking personal responsibility and then following through with action, often with the sacrifice of opposing self-interests.
We are seeing the exact opposite of what I just described today. No one takes personal responsibility, everyone has victim mentality, and people are just angry with anyone who doesn't agree with them.
Without any moral compass, we will just spin in circles and blame the 'other' party ad infinitum.
A moral compass requires introspection, taking personal responsibility and then following through with action, often with the sacrifice of opposing self-interests.
We are seeing the exact opposite of what I just described today. No one takes personal responsibility, everyone has victim mentality, and people are just angry with anyone who doesn't agree with them.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 7:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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I don't care about living in a Christian nation if public power is neutered so that religion was left to the truly private areas. That's why I think your OP is a false choice of sorts. You're creating a paradigm in your head (and OP) that isn't really what's being argued for by the side you're attacking. Some would call that a straw man.
Let me make sure I am crystal clear here. When I am talking about a Biblical Centric Worldview, I am not advocating for some sort of theocracy. The bottom line is, traditionally Americans and Western culture gets their moral standards from Judeo-Christian values. That's just reality. Where as, if you go to an Islamic country, they have completely different moral standards that they get from the Quram and Sharia. In a place like Communist China, their standards come from Marx.
Even if you are not religious. If you are an American, it is very likely you have certain beliefs that you don't realize are derived from a Chrsitian framework. This is what I am talking about. One of those beliefs is a decentralized government, that allows for individual liberties to pursue happiness and freedom.
So what you are arguing for with a Constitutional framework is really derived from a Christian framework. This does not have to require anyone to be some some overly zealous, preacher like John Lithgow on Footloose. It's just a respect for where our morals come from and a willingness to preserve them in society.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 7:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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They #1 factor that creates the wealth gap is having children
…out of wedlock.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:00 am to burger bearcat
To put it more simply: our system REQUIRES men of honesty and integrity for it to stay in balance. The biblical Christian culture based on absolute truth allows this more easily than a relativistic culture.
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