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re: Here's what Rogan bro Republicans who disdain the Christian Right don't get

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Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:00 am to
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…out of wedlock.

Nope.

Having children kills advancement on the whole. There are exceptions but we're dealing with millions of people over decades.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:00 am to
On a related note, OBL and others were still ranting about the fall of Andalusia in the last 20 years.

Andalusia fell in 1492 and freed up money from the Spanish crown to give patronage to some crackpot Italian guy looking for a passage to India.
Posted by Paddyshack
Land of the Free
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:02 am to
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We are having a non-emotional discussion here.
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You can take the emotional arguments to another thread or message board.


Calling a spade a spade isn't an emotional argument.

The fact that this was your only response is telling. There is no rebuttal. You are willing to accept murder of babies, I am not.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:03 am to
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it is very likely you have certain beliefs that you don't realize are derived from a Chrsitian framework. This is what I am talking about. One of those beliefs is a decentralized government, that allows for individual liberties to pursue happiness and freedom.


You know the Christians who developed this took the ideas from pre-Christian societies and pagan philosophers, right?

These concepts predate Christianity (and weren't part of theocratic Judaism).

Posted by Gaspergou202
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Member since Jun 2016
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:04 am to
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What about the 800-900 years of dark ages? The church rule led to a massive class of under-fed, uneducated, non land owning serfs which was setup to maintain church dominance.

Wow!
Let’s throw a parade so you can display your lack of education and religious intolerance to more people.

The Middle Ages or “Dark Ages” as you preferred to call them, were caused by pagan barbarians destroying the Christian Roman Empire, destroying trade and its economic system. The inhabitants embraced feudalism to survive.

When a civilization collapses, it’s always followed by a “dark age”. Same thing happened in 1200-1150 BCE (Before the Christian Era ) And hint, there were no Christians then.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:04 am to
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The fact that this was your only response is telling.

Because his emotional drivel wasn't worth responding to. Also, I'm not sure if he can read English properly, which, again, makes his post not worth a response.

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You are willing to accept murder of babies,

Learn how to read
Posted by Paddyshack
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:06 am to
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Because his emotional drivel wasn't worth responding to. Also, I'm not sure if he can read English properly, which, again, makes his post not worth a response.


That was my post, not "his"

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Learn how to read

the irony!
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:09 am to
Then I'll address you directly:

1. Learn how to read.
2. Stop trying to make emotional arguments in a thread attempting rational discussion.
Posted by Paddyshack
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:10 am to
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1. Learn how to read.

Again, the irony. I read just fine.
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2. Stop trying to make emotional arguments in a thread attempting rational discussion.


What part of my post is emotional exactly? Are you suggesting that abortion is not the taking of an innocent human life? Are you saying it's not murder?

Again, calling a spade a spade is not emotional.
This post was edited on 9/15/22 at 8:13 am
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:11 am to
There is no shortage of Christian majority shitholes in central and south america and Africa.

Meanwhile, Jewish majority countries are 1 for 1 in being democratic, nonshit holes.
Posted by SeeeeK
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:13 am to
Christian Right are super Hippocrates.

Females wear their bible I'm their garter belts, men have it next to their black book so wife don't fine.

They tell others how to live, follow these guidelines, they don't even think of living that way.

Politicians getting caught as adulterers, almost always a conservative,. Creep who sexts interne, religious right politician.

My favorite is my neighbor 4 houses down. Loves his Jesus, but only when he's not fricking his side piece. Poor kids, want to throw the ball with dad, but he's balls deep inside another woman. Praise Jesus. Oh yeah, he's the guy with ash on his forehead during that farce of a time period.

Religious right are also birthers, no shits given about the actual kids after being born just that they are born.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:13 am to
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What about the 800-900 years of dark ages? The church rule led to a massive class of under-fed, uneducated, non land owning serfs which was setup to maintain church dominance.


Lol
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28185 posts
Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:15 am to
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Having children kills advancement on the whole.


What statistics did you waterboard to reach this conclusion?

If we look at the upper quartile for household income in the US, what percentage of them do you think have children?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:16 am to
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What part of my post is emotional exactly?

The fact that your brain is so clouded with emotion that you think anyone in this thread has defended "murdering babies" is a big part.

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Are you suggesting that abortion is not the taking of an innocent human life?

There is a point where it is, and a point where it isn't. The entire difficulty with this discussion is finding that point, which, AS I SAID EARLIER, involves an ever-changing scientific standard as well as philosophy (Which can be subjective).

That's why focusing on this as a major political point is stupid. It's an inflammatory discussion point meant to create emotion, which creates polarity, which then promotes giving power to the very people who want people thinking abortion is a major deal. It's manipulation.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:16 am to
Science is pretty clear. You are killing a baby. The vast majority of abortions involve babies that have “no issues”. The babies that have issues, you are still killing it bc you don’t want it to “suffer”. Baby has no say in the matter. There are a small # that the mother’s life is actually in jeopardy (birth could kill her) but that is rare.

Even in the case of rape, you are still killing a baby that’s only fault was that their father was violent criminal. The baby is being killed bc of sins of their father.
This post was edited on 9/15/22 at 8:17 am
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:17 am to
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Christian Right are super Hippocrates.

Females wear their bible I'm their garter belts, men have it next to their black book so wife don't fine.


Sorry about your stroke, and I'm a super Socrates for your information.
Posted by Dawgwithnoname
NE Louisiana
Member since Dec 2019
4278 posts
Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:17 am to
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So to simply put. They (secular libertarian types) can't have their cake and eat it too. They can't have their low taxes, low inflation, and a non-intrusive government... but also have your atheistic society filled with abortion mills and LGBT sexual deviance. They don't and won't ever go together.



Maybe if they weren't high all the time and could put that thing between their ears into gear, they could figure that out.

But no, their fight begins and ends with their worship of their one true god: self.
This post was edited on 9/15/22 at 8:18 am
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:18 am to
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I have argued similar stances for years, but abortion is just a really bad issue for either side to hang their hat on. That discussion involves a lot of science (that's still developing and changing the argument every year) and philosophy (which becomes very subjective) which just creates a perpetual discussion.

Focusing the religious discussion (by both sides) on abortion is simple-minded propagandizing to promote polarity (and then the next step: more power to protect our side from the other side).
The problem is that science doesn’t provide morality. Philosophy doesn’t provide morality, either. You can’t get “ought” from “is”. You need something else to drive the “ought”.

Without an objective moral standard, all anyone has is opinion, and how do you say which opinion is better than others?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:20 am to
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If we look at the upper quartile for household income in the US, what percentage of them do you think have children?


Household income is irrelevant. Marriage and children increase male earning and decrease female earning.

NYT article discussing this

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When men and women finish school and start working, they’re paid pretty much equally. But a gender pay gap soon appears, and it grows significantly over the next two decades.

So what changes? The answer can be found by looking at when the pay gap widens most sharply. It’s the late 20s to mid-30s, according to two new studies — in other words, when many women have children. Unmarried women without children continue to earn closer to what men do.


As for the comment about marital status, the fact that women get married alone negatively affects their earning:

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But even married women without children earn less, research shows, because women are more likely to give up job opportunities to either move or stay put for their husband’s job. Married women might also take less intensive jobs in preparation for children, or employers might not give them more responsibility because they assume they’ll have babies and take time off.


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According to the data, Ms. Kerr said, college-educated women make about 90 percent as much as men at age 25 and about 55 percent as much at age 45.

The new working paper, which covered the broadest group of people over time, found that between ages 25 and 45, the gender pay gap for college graduates, which starts close to zero, widens by 55 percentage points. For those without college degrees, it widens by 28 percentage points.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:22 am to
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The problem is that science doesn’t provide morality. Philosophy doesn’t provide morality, either.

Philosophy can provide morality.

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You need something else to drive the “ought”.

We have that. Tens of thousands of years of data on humans living in society. That's where religions get their dogmas from.

Hell, Judaism is based in a social structure given by Jehovah. It's not nearly as much a "moral" guide as a "social" guide.
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