re: Here's what Rogan bro Republicans who disdain the Christian Right don't get

You can stop with the petty insults.

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There is a point where it is, and a point where it isn't. The entire difficulty with this discussion is finding that point, which, AS I SAID EARLIER, involves an ever-changing scientific standard as well as philosophy (Which can be subjective).

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Well what is that magical point for you? It's really not subjective at all. Allowing for that nuance is part of the problem and it's exactly how we ended up with third trimester and post-birth abortions.

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That's why focusing on this as a major political point is stupid. It's an inflammatory discussion point meant to create emotion, which creates polarity, which then promotes giving power to the very people who want people thinking abortion is a major deal. It's manipulation.

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That's like saying we shouldn't focus on crime or "criminal justice"

If abortion is murder (it is) and a huge portion of society openly accepts it, gleefully cheers it on, and believes it is some sort of Constitutional right, then yes, it is a major deal and we should focus on it. It is evil personified.

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At a certain point, yes. Before that point? No.

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And what point is that? Back to Burr’s comment, after conception “the batter is mixed and ready to put in the oven” all that is needed is time to cook.

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Philosophy can provide morality.

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Also you

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philosophy (which becomes very subjective)

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Philosophy can provide opinions about morality.

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They tell others how to live, follow these guidelines, they don't even think of living that way.

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My favorite is my neighbor 4 houses down. Loves his Jesus, but only when he's not fricking his side piece.

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I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. But you are either being intellectually ignorant or creating some straw man that doesn't exist. No one is saying the behavior you described is considered "Christian" or Biblical. Christians recognize that we are all fallen and sinners.

It's not about thumping the Bible, it's about living your life the best you can through the Gospel. The neighbor you described had failed in that regard despite his cover.

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Philosophy can provide opinions about morality.

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Religion is the exact same, then.

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I'm not an expert in the matter and I'm not a woman so I never felt the need to really dig in to a position.

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Ah, yes, the ole Kentaji Brown Jackson response.

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No it's not.

We can define crimes and analyze behaviors within that construct relatively easily. You don't need emotions at all.

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Abortion is murder.
Murder is a crime.
Abortion is a crime.

You can try to talk circles around it all day long, but for many of us, it's not complicated.

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The Left can only take and brainwash your children in large numbers with public power behind them. The religions extremists can only take and brainwash your children in large numbers with public power behind them. Remove the public power and the polarity subsides and the threat level decreases and personal decisions (like religion) return to the personal.

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Excellent post!

And those downvoting it are the religious partisans who would force us onto our knees if we let them gain power.

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So even if you, yourself are not a believer and consider yourself non-religous, that is fine. However, you should still want to live in a Chrsitian and Biblical centric society, and respect that tradition and moral standard, because history has shown that Christian/Biblical centric societies are the most prosperous and free countries.

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As one of the most outspoken atheists on the board, I don't disagree. I've tempered my opinion on this a bit over the years. While deep down I still think that you don't NEED religion to have a "moral" society because I'm living proof you clearly do not, it's become clear that the VAAAAAAAAAAST majority of the world does, in both the religious and nonreligious camps. Maybe I'm the strangely wired outlier, but it doesn't matter. Without those underpinnings, most people seem to have allowed a misguided belief in "being nice" which is really only being exploited by postmodernist bullshite where there are no truths at all to force them into being so open minded that their brains have fallen out. See: "A woman is anyone who identifies as a woman."

That said, I'm just as wary of the eventual slide into a version of a Christian theocracy if that became the only acceptable viewpoint, because when it had the power in the past to do so, it did. Now, having said that, whatever fears I have of that are miniscule compared to the right in our faces communism which is about to completely wash over America, so to pretend it compares in any way is just dishonest I think which is why I've made a point of actually honoring Chicken's edict which got me banned years ago and NOT taken part is many religious topics here. I have no reason to pick a fight with you guys on this as I find it far more important we work together on the bigger picture at hand issues we're facing.

So yeah...I'd MUCH prefer to deal with an overly American religious society than what we are careening into now...without question.

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Earlier you claimed wealth, now you're claiming income

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Well they're largely related, but income was the intent. I haven't even had a 2nd cup of coffee.

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So it's more of a factor than, say education.

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Look at the data from the article. The gap is bigger in college-educated than non-college educated.

Having children is the big distinction in careers. That's why abortion is such a big topic (especially for urban women, who are more likely to have careers). This is also why women with careers have fewer children and have them later. If you're going to stall your career advancement, it's better to do it in your mid-late 30s when you have advanced some, rather than in your mid-20s when you're at the bottom.

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God (whether you believe in him or not) doesn't take kindly to a society who openly accepts the murder of children. The evidence is all around us.

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No it’s not. There is zero evidence “all around us” of God’s opinion on abortion. I’m against it, because I recoil at the killing of innocent humans. You can call that evidence of God, but it could just as easily be evidence of an evolutionary compulsion. Did God create that evolutionary compulsion? We just don’t know.