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re: Here's what Rogan bro Republicans who disdain the Christian Right don't get
Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:39 am to STEVED00
Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:39 am to STEVED00
And the flip side of this is that a career can potentially last forever. Childbearing years are theoretically feasible from about 16-40.
And getting an education as well as issues on the back end of that really tighten that range to probably 22-35 to give you an opportunity to be educated and conceive even if you have complications.
You can put off having kids if you don’t want to slow down work but biological clocks are ticking and don’t necessarily run at the same rate for everyone.
And getting an education as well as issues on the back end of that really tighten that range to probably 22-35 to give you an opportunity to be educated and conceive even if you have complications.
You can put off having kids if you don’t want to slow down work but biological clocks are ticking and don’t necessarily run at the same rate for everyone.
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:39 am to STEVED00
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The missed point is that in most situations it is the woman’s choice to slow down their career bc of their children.
That's not a missed point.
However, some of that is cultural-institutional. Men choose not to do household duties at the same rate as women which kind of forces their hands. We could do better as a society as men, by making personal choices to help women not have as much of an economic impact for birthing our children.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:39 am to armsdealer
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while I am morally against most of the bad things I also don't want to enforce my morals on anyone, nor do I want someone else's morals enforced on me.
At its essence, every political question is a moral one. Every single one.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:39 am to armsdealer
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You don't get it. The problem is with the excessive government spending, high taxes, not even wokeness, tyranny and the police state. The problem with Republicans isn't their social branding, it is their spending, taxing, tyranny and police state. IDGAF about peoples moral decisions and honestly could go either way on the most controversial topics because while I am morally against most of the bad things I also don't want to enforce my morals on anyone, nor do I want someone else's morals enforced on me. So your politicians stance on abortion, gay marriage, whatever other moral branding they want to portray, IDGAF. The politicians actions on SPENDING and growing/shrinking government is what I am looking at.
Ugh the biggest problem with libertarians - the eternal pissing contest as to who's the most pure and the most minimalistic.
If you think an amoral society will have discipline with taxes and spending, then you're just example #5,000,000 of a libertarian elbowing the other libertarians to be at the front of the crowd, and being completely oblivious to how his POV is shortsighted and useless.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:42 am to SlowFlowPro
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Look at the data from the article. The gap is bigger in college-educated than non-college educated.
The article is behind a paywall.
Yeah, in vacuum I don't doubt that all things being equal with a woman who wants to work, having kids is a factor. I've never said otherwise, but your claim went WAY beyond that. You claimed it was the #1 factor for wealth disparity and that's laughable. I seriously doubt it's a greater factor than a stem degree vs a HS diploma, or having kids in vs out of wedlock. The NYTimes article is trying to drive home a political point about abortion; surely you're bright enough to understand that.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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The big issue is that 1-week old cell bundles "die" a lot more often naturally than they do at 32-weeks.
So? Dying bc of natural causes is still different than purposely killing someone. Miscarriages are definitely rough emotionally bc the woman thinks “DID” they do something that caused this? Well if they took a plan B pill or had a procedure then you take the “DID I DO SOMETHING” angle off the table bc they DEFINITELY did.
ETA: 1 week old cell bundle IS STILL a baby! See cake batter analogy!
This post was edited on 9/15/22 at 9:00 am
Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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The Left can only take and brainwash your children in large numbers with public power behind them.
The religions extremists can only take and brainwash your children in large numbers with public power behind them.
These are not similar. Polar opposites. The Left is literally trying to normalize kids, pre-puberty, for transsexual transition surgery. Forcing people to accept what the Christian life says is wrong and sinful. In some countries with penalty of jail if you publicly speak out against those practices.
The Religious simply want people to know GOD and give them the tools to live a moral and complete life. I've never known any religious person that wanted to brainwash anyone. Christianity is based on sole free will of the individual. I can tell you how to get to Heaven, but I can't make you accept the path. You choose that and nobody through human force can make you.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:52 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Where does the "ought" come from even in philosophy?
Philosophy can provide morality.
quote:Again, what "is" does not necessitate what "ought" to be.
We have that. Tens of thousands of years of data on humans living in society. That's where religions get their dogmas from.
We can study countless data points within nature to show that theft, rape, and murder are common place within the animal kingdom, yet don't have to tolerate such things in our own societies.
What we are getting down to is the ultimate standard for why societies must be governed a certain way. Clearly you (and others) seem to favor a utilitarian view of morality, where whatever "works" for the progress of society is ultimately what is "moral". I would challenge that standard as arbitrary in itself, but also as a terrible standard when you think about it more deeply.
quote:The social structure of Judaism was based on the moral structure that God gave through the revelation of Himself and His character, as well as the giving of the moral law. Both the ceremonial and the civil laws of Israel were applications of the moral law.
Hell, Judaism is based in a social structure given by Jehovah. It's not nearly as much a "moral" guide as a "social" guide.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 9:01 am to STEVED00
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Bill Burr made a great point about it.
Chappelle was more logically consistent with his recent bit. Funnier, too.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 9:02 am to FooManChoo
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Where does the "ought" come from even in philosophy?
The same place it comes from in religion. People.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 9:05 am to BestBanker
quote:Modern scholarship does not recognize 8-900 years of “Dark Ages, but rather the 5th thru 10th centuries.quote:Don't fear. And change your "church" reference to the specific religion system you reference. Is it Mormons? Presbyterians? Baptists? Lutherans? Non-denoms? Church of England Kings?
What about the 800-900 years of dark ages?
There was only one Christian Church during that period. The various schisms did not occur for quite a while there after.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 9:05 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Amazing how most good societies came to the same conclusions.
The same place it comes from in religion. People.
Hippocrates opposed abortion in the H. Oath.
No society allowed gay marriage (contradiction in terms no matter what the law says).
But Christians get the blame for these.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 9:06 am to DisplacedBuckeye
I like the cake batter analogy from Burr. I think it was a very good analogy of the process bc everything that is needed is there but just need time to “cook”.
Burr also made the point that even if you are pro-choice, you are still making the choice to end a baby’s life. Either you are ok with that or not. Trying to say you are NOT actually killing a baby is dishonest
Burr also made the point that even if you are pro-choice, you are still making the choice to end a baby’s life. Either you are ok with that or not. Trying to say you are NOT actually killing a baby is dishonest
Posted on 9/15/22 at 9:07 am to Flats
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You claimed it was the #1 factor for wealth disparity and that's laughable
And I clarified that I meant income.
I think the primary variables in wealth disparity are (1) the size of the inheritance you receive and (2) the educational level of your parents.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 9:07 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I will not say “all,” but MOST opponents of abortion rights are incapable of discussing the issue WITHOUT emotion.
You can take the emotional arguments to another thread or message board.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 9:10 am to AggieHank86
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I will not say “all,” but MOST opponents of abortion rights are incapable of discussing the issue WITHOUT emotion.
I mean I would say most pro-abortion folks try to justify that they are NOT actually killing a baby but just a “bundle of cells”. Science says that is false.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 9:11 am to VolcanicTiger
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Amazing how most good societies came to the same conclusions.
It is amazing, but not because of religion.
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Hippocrates opposed abortion in the H. Oath.
No society allowed gay marriage (contradiction in terms no matter what the law says).
But Christians get the blame for these.
Christians get the blame for perpetuating that ignorance.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 9:13 am to FooManChoo
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We can study countless data points within nature to show that theft, rape, and murder are common place within the animal kingdom, yet don't have to tolerate such things in our own societies.
Because we know how disruptive these are, socially. That's the trial and error used in how religions and philosophers try to derive "morality".
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Clearly you (and others) seem to favor a utilitarian view of morality, where whatever "works" for the progress of society is ultimately what is "moral".
That's how religions developed, too. Literally.
When societies formed, city-states literally merged their religious rulers with governmental rulers.
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The social structure of Judaism was based on the moral structure that God gave through the revelation of Himself and His character, as well as the giving of the moral law.
The Covenant was an agreement between God and his followers where he gave them a plan for living in exchange for worshiping him.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 9:15 am to STEVED00
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I think it was a very good analogy of the process bc everything that is needed is there but just need time to “cook”.
But it isn't there. You're not just leaving it be.
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Burr also made the point that even if you are pro-choice, you are still making the choice to end a baby’s life. Either you are ok with that or not. Trying to say you are NOT actually killing a baby is dishonest
Terminology and whatever drives your emotions aren't important to me. If you or anyone else want to look at it as murdering babies equivalent to infanticide, go for it. I'll not participate in such nonsense.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 9:20 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Terminology and whatever drives your emotions aren't important to me.
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But it isn't there. You're not just leaving it be.
How so? What else do the parents need to do to baby?
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Terminology and whatever drives your emotions aren't important to me.
No emotions here. Just science. Life starts at conception. That is the only clear point of demarcation. The rest is just emotional rationalization to justify that killing it is ok.
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