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re: What is your best proposal to fix the student debt crisis?

Posted on 8/24/22 at 3:20 pm to
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13355 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 3:20 pm to
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I said they'd be required to pay in full but


And I said why not just require them to pay in full, without all the bullshite, then? You know, how they agreed to do it WHEN THEY TOOK THE LOAN.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162258 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 3:25 pm to
It's just a different payment option a-hole. It allows them to pay based on a percentage of their income that should increase over time and won't cause a financial hardship earlier in their career when their earnings are lower. And not a single person cares about your son and his situation. You don't solve problems in a country with 340 million people based on personal anecdotes. Hopefully your son learned that because the concept is lost on you.
This post was edited on 8/24/22 at 3:28 pm
Posted by Lutcher Lad
South of the Mason-Dixon Line
Member since Sep 2009
5783 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 3:30 pm to
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And "just pay back your loans" is not an option


Says who? Yes, it is the only option! They agreed to the loans..they should be the ones to pay it back.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13355 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 3:38 pm to
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It's just a different payment option a-hole. It allows them to pay based on a percentage of their income that should increase over time and won't cause a financial hardship earlier in their career when their earnings are lower. And not a single person cares about your son and his situation. You don't solve problems in a country with 340 million people based on personal anecdotes. Hopefully your son learned that because the concept is lost on you.



It's not an anecdote, Skippy. It's a real life situation concerning the exact "crisis" that you think needs a solution. What my son learned is that if you work hard enough, and sacrifice, you can get yourself out from under the debt you accrued to get your education. He learned that he may have to take a job that's beneath his education level. He learned that he may have to eat Ramen noodles instead of going out with his friends. He learned personal responsibility. Which is the concept that is lost on you, and apparently all these people who claim there is a crisis.

Here's an anecdote for you. I sent my son a text, asking him if he was pissed, since he just paid off his loan. He said, "not really, I don't want the government's stolen money anyway." In my eyes, that's the problem we have in this country in a nutshell. You have some people raising their kids to be independent, self-reliant, productive citizens. And then you have a whole lot of people who are raising their kids to expect the government to solve the problems that they got themselves into, the same way their parents did when they were kids.
This post was edited on 8/24/22 at 3:51 pm
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53502 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 3:41 pm to
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And "just pay back your loans" is not an option.



Why is it not an option?
Posted by CC
Western NY
Member since Feb 2004
14867 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 3:43 pm to
Make the Universities pay back the loans and then stop offering worthless degrees and then fire the faculty who teach worthless classes.
Posted by PollyDawg
Member since Jul 2021
1103 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 5:35 pm to
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Our society is failing.


It looks that way. More and more I notice people have become soft and want easy solutions right now.
Posted by Adajax
Member since Nov 2015
6139 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 5:48 pm to
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What is your best proposal to fix the student debt crisis?
programmers.

Toughen up admission standards and loan requirements. Push most kids into community colleges and trade schools and 2 yr programs.
Posted by Rohan Gravy
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2017
18017 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 5:52 pm to
Cut college tuition and fees by 25%

Cut college administrators by 50%


Cut professors pay by 25%

Increase professors “work” hours by 25%

The amount of loan money a student can qualify for should be directly related to the projected income of their major.


i.e.
A Masters degree in Art History will qualify for much less than an engineering degree.

ALSO

If your majoring in Art History and any other curriculum that will guarantee very little income…you should be required to attend a state school.
Posted by ShinerHorns
El Paso
Member since Jul 2021
3993 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 6:24 pm to
Be responsible and pay your fricking loans. It’s not that hard.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 6:30 pm to
Stupidity, laziness and greed are not a “crisis.”
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39569 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 6:31 pm to
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And "just pay back your loans" is not an option.


Wtf?
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
46310 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 6:32 pm to
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And "just pay back your loans" is not an option.


So being responsible and paying your loan obligation is not an option? What you’re saying is we must formulate a strategy to reward irresponsibility.

Here, let’s try this as a partial solution to end the government subsidized pursuit of worthless college degrees.

If you’re not in a STEM degree program you do not get government money/loans for your degree…..go to a private lender, better yet frick all government involvement in higher education.
Posted by OMWsux
Member since Jan 2015
166 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 6:44 pm to
1. Close redundant and failing higher education institutions. Those places siphon their operating expenses from poorly prepared students who are subsidized by federal student loan debt.

2. Index student loan assignments/dispersals to institutional performance. If a college has a lower graduation rate then that should factor into the loan review.

3. Prioritize loan approvals for needed fields of study (STEM, healthcare)
This post was edited on 8/24/22 at 6:47 pm
Posted by ChunkyLover54
Member since Apr 2015
6530 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 7:51 pm to
Tax endowments. Set up a direct revenue stream.
Posted by CPTDCKHD
Member since Sep 2019
1480 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 8:47 pm to
Get a freaking job and cut your hair- you worthless hippie
Posted by coolpapaboze
Parts Unknown
Member since Dec 2006
15849 posts
Posted on 8/25/22 at 8:45 am to
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The bolded entity is not getting NEARLY enough blame and discussion for this.

Totally agree. You've got several parties in this mix with zero skin in the game, namely the banks and the schools. And the folks footing the bill, the taxpayer, have no say in the outcome. The whole situation is completely goat fricked.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111597 posts
Posted on 8/25/22 at 8:52 am to
Limit lending to a multiple of the average starting salary of a program in which the student is enrolled.

You’re an engineer? You get X times Y.

You’re a social worker? You get 2 times $40k.

The interest only repayment needs to end. That has propped up the student loan problem and also made students feel like they’re getting ripped off.

Finally, have universities take out a sort of analogy to PMI. If they have a stake in the outcome, their admission and retention policies will necessarily adjust.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111597 posts
Posted on 8/25/22 at 8:53 am to
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Close redundant and failing higher education institutions. Those places siphon their operating expenses from poorly prepared students who are subsidized by federal student loan debt.


Good idea.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261492 posts
Posted on 8/25/22 at 8:55 am to
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And "just pay back your loans" is not an option.


Typical. Stereotypes exist for a reason.

Subsidizing and forgiving makes college more expensive, not less.

Put the schools on the hook. They bear no responsibility.

Allow discharge of loans with appropriate penalty.
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